Disappointment with S7

[Thomas Elliot]

Kinda looked like night gowns or Jimmy-jams.

I don't remember her wearing nightgown-looking outfits regularly as an officer. I remember her green dress though.
As far as her one piece uniform, everyone on the show started out wearing one piece uniforms. In fact it's pretty fashionable for adult women to wear form fitting, one piece outfits. Unless those women too aren't dressing like adults.

 

[Nakita Akita]

I don't remember her wearing nightgown-looking outfits regularly as an officer. I remember her green dress though.
As far as her one piece uniform, everyone on the show started out wearing one piece uniforms. In fact it's pretty fashionable for adult women to wear form fitting, one piece outfits. Unless those women too aren't dressing like adults.

The lopsided neck dress, looked like a nightgown I don't remember the color because I wasn't paying that much attention because I wasn't trying to see if I could ever catch a little peek of nipple showing.
The cleavage bearing long dress looked like a night gown. The cleavage bearing one piece looked like a "onsie" that little kids wear.

I Was in the USArmy, the psychologists wore the same uniform that everyone else wore.
If you work someplace and there is a uniform, you wear the uniform, you don't decide to were different color long dresses with your cleavage showing, while everyone else is wearing mock neck Shirts and black pants.
She looked like, just as she was supposed to, a sex object.
Thankfully they eventually got a clue and put her in a uniform.

 

[Thomas Elliot]

The lopsided neck dress, looked like a nightgown I don't remember the color because I wasn't paying that much attention because I wasn't trying to see if I could ever catch a little peek of nipple showing.
The cleavage bearing long dress looked like a night gown.

What kind of night gowns include wearing tights underneath? It looks far closer to a dress than a nightgown.

I Was in the USArmy, the psychologists wore the same uniform that everyone else wore.
If you work someplace and there is a uniform, you wear the uniform, you don't decide to were different color long dresses with your cleavage showing, while everyone else is wearing mock neck Shirts and black pants.

I agree, it didn't make sense in the context of Starfleet. But aside from the obvious sex appeal, it was probably also meant to make her character come across as more exotic, just like Ilia in TMP and break up the monotony of the uniformed crew.

She looked like, just as she was supposed to, a sex object.
Thankfully they eventually got a clue and put her in a uniform.

So are women who wear form fitting clothing sex objects as well? Showing cleavage is being a sex object? What's wrong with Troi expressing herself in what she feels comfortable in?

 

[diankra]

It's been said before that, in script terms, TNG 7 is Voyager 0 with the established cast.

 

[TimeIsAPredator]

So many people should have been sacked because of Sub Rosa. How the hell did it ever get made I mean surely someone somewhere in the process of making it should have screamed stop.
Im shocked it was so late in the run too I always assumed it was early on with the crazy zenophobic Irish episode or the budget store Wakanda one

 

[TimeIsAPredator]

So are women who wear form fitting clothing sex objects as well? Showing cleavage is being a sex object? What's wrong with Troi expressing herself in what she feels comfortable in?

Generally you dont get to expess yourself that much when serving on the bridge of a ship.

 

[Thomas Elliot]

Generally you dont get to expess yourself that much when serving on the bridge of a ship.

Apparently you do in the 24th century. It's not like she was wearing it in defiance of the Captain.

 

[TimeIsAPredator]

Apparently you do in the 24th century. It's not like she was wearing it in defiance of the Captain.

Should have made it fair and had Riker wear the same for a few years like the suit he got on the matriarcal planet

 

[diankra]

So many people should have been sacked because of Sub Rosa. How the hell did it ever get made I mean surely someone somewhere in the process of making it should have screamed stop.
Im shocked it was so late in the run too I always assumed it was early on with the crazy zenophobic Irish episode or the budget store Wakanda one

In any season, there are times when a poor but shootable script beats better ideas that aren't doable.

 

[Thomas Elliot]

Should have made it fair and had Riker wear the same for a few years like the suit he got on the matriarcal planet

How is that fair? Was it ever implied that Riker wanted to wear something different, let alone the same type of outfits that Troi wore?

I'm glad Troi started wearing the Starfleet uniform which I believe coincided with her moving up the ranks. But I don't think she looked as good in it as she did some of her previous outfits. It didn't complement her figure like it did for someone like Tasha Yar or Picard. And even Picard looked better with the jacket than the regular uniform.

I now see the "dressed like an adult" criticism. I think civilians on the Enterprise wore onesies too, but most often we saw Wesley, and especially Alexander wearing them. So when I see Troi in the maroon outfit, yeah, it's like she's going to day care along with Alexander. May if it didn't have flares it would look less romper room-like.

Supposedly she's supposed to be a sexually open character, so maybe that's how she doesn't see it as particularly revealing, especially since her people get married naked.
Overall though, I think the grey/maroon onesie, along with Seven's and T'Pols seem kind of silly. If she's the casual counselor, fine, but at least have her switch up her outfits slightly so that they're not ALL lowcut.
Either way it doesn't bother me too much. Seven's outfit bothers me more, especially with the high heels, considering her situation.

 

[Nakita Akita]

How is that fair? Was it ever implied that Riker wanted to wear something different, let alone the same type of outfits that Troi wore?

Wearing a iniform gets monotonous.
I'm sure that almost everyone would like to go to work wearing sweat pants and a stretched out tee shirt at least sometimes.
We see some outfits that others wear on their off time, but only Troi gets to wear what she wants
At work?
Does that seem fair?
If they only wanted to wear their uniforms all of the time, it would have never showed them wearing anything else.

 

[Thomas Elliot]

Wearing a iniform gets monotonous.
I'm sure that almost everyone would like to go to work wearing sweat pants and a stretched out tee shirt at least sometimes.

If I'm in a position of authority with subordinates, no, I wouldn't chose to wear sweat pants and a stretched out tee shirt. I enjoy wearing my suit and tie, and if I looked good in a red Starfleet uniform, best believe I'd look forward to wear it every work day.
I doubt Riker would want to wear sweat pants on the bridge as 2nd in command. The guy grew a beard just because his old crew called him "Babyface."

Does that seem fair?

That's assuming Riker wanted to wear a low-cut blouse on the bridge. Did he say he wanted to wear that outfit from "Angel One" in his professional duties? That wouldn't be fair to make him wear something when nothing seems to hint that he'd prefer to wear low-cut blouses or low-cut onesies.

If they only wanted to wear their uniforms all of the time, it would have never showed them wearing anything else.

I'm assuming Troi being ship's counselor played a difference. Notice that when she gets promoted, she starts dressing differently.
Also, exceptions to the dress code are applied inconsistently. Not too many fans complain about Worf getting to wear his giant metal warrior sash. If they're going to have Worf wear a sash, they should have made Picard and everyone else wear one too. To be fair.

 

[Nakita Akita]

If I'm in a position of authority with subordinates, no, I wouldn't chose to wear sweat pants and a stretched out tee shirt. I enjoy wearing my suit and tie, and if I looked good in a red Starfleet uniform, best believe I'd look forward to wear it every work day.
I doubt Riker would want to wear sweat pants on the bridge as 2nd in command. The guy grew a beard just because his old crew called him "Babyface."


That's assuming Riker wanted to wear a low-cut blouse on the bridge. Did he say he wanted to wear that outfit from "Angel One" in his professional duties? That wouldn't be fair to make him wear something when nothing seems to hint that he'd prefer to wear low-cut blouses or low-cut onesies.


I'm assuming Troi being ship's counselor played a difference. Notice that when she gets promoted, she starts dressing differently.
Also, exceptions to the dress code are applied inconsistently. Not too many fans complain about Worf getting to wear his giant metal warrior sash. If they're going to have Worf wear a sash, they should have made Picard and everyone else wear one too. To be fair.

At least Worf had a regulation uniform with his sash. Although I thought that was sort of stupid too.
Same thing, if you are supposed to wear a uniform, it supposed to be uniform.
They had her dress that way to be eye candy. Plain and simple.

 

[Farscape One]

With Worf, I think that was more allowing a cultural addition, particularly since he's the only Klingon in Starfleet. It definitely would be good PR to have your only Klingon officer wearing a Klingon baldric with the Starfleet uniform... Klingons seeing that would likely consider it honoring Klingon culture and consider it a sign of respect, thus continuing to strengthen relations, even if it is a small thing. Those little things go a long way when dealing in diplomacy.

 

[Thomas Elliot]

With Worf, I think that was more allowing a cultural addition, particularly since he's the only Klingon in Starfleet. It definitely would be good PR to have your only Klingon officer wearing a Klingon baldric with the Starfleet uniform... Klingons seeing that would likely consider it honoring Klingon culture and consider it a sign of respect, thus continuing to strengthen relations, even if it is a small thing. Those little things go a long way when dealing in diplomacy.

That's how I rationalize it too.
But still, if he gets to wear jewelry. And then Ro gets to wear jewelry. Why don't all the characters get to wear whatever elaborate ornate jewelry they want?

 

[Thomas Elliot]

At least Worf had a regulation uniform with his sash. Although I thought that was sort of stupid too.
Same thing, if you are supposed to wear a uniform, it supposed to be uniform.
They had her dress that way to be eye candy. Plain and simple.

I agree, I think eye candy is a big part of her outfits. I still think her black outfit with belt and bun was okay though, as it made her stand out and wasn't as tight from what I remember.
Worf's sash doesn't make any sense either , but I think it worked for what the the producers were trying to convey, just like I think Troi's outfits worked for the most part.* Mostly eye candy because Marina Sirtis is beautiful and only added to that. But I think it also conveyed that she's exotic, supposedly more sensitive, consoling, etc. When Picard and her have those one-on-ones, it seems more plausible that he might be more open to someone in casual attire, as opposed to confiding to an officer in extremely formal officer-wear. Just like Worf comes from a warrior culture, and him having the sash helps reinforce that idea for the viewer. Notice it wasn't all the women, just Troi.

*No, the onesies kind of get on my nerves too. It's not necessarily because it's form fitting, or because it gives her character some sex appeal. When she's walking in some of those scenes, it's like she's a big kid, Alexander's playmate. And considering she's already busty, they didn't need to show cleavage.

One more thing. Why would an empath wear deliberately revealing clothing as a ship's counselor? I mean, she can wear what she wants, but considering that it benefits her to make her patients comfortable and at ease, I don't think that being beautiful AND wearing tight revealing clothing would help them. If I were Barclay I would be extremely nervous and embarrassed that she would know that I'm aroused or attracted to her.

I like Ilia's look for TMP, for its time. But wow, she's pretty much just wearing an extremely short bathrobe. Maybe that's her culture, and the bald head helps to desexualize her somewhat. Slightly. But it's another example of "c'mon! we see what you're doing producers."

 

[Farscape One]

That's how I rationalize it too.
But still, if he gets to wear jewelry. And then Ro gets to wear jewelry. Why don't all the characters get to wear whatever elaborate ornate jewelry they want?

Ro was only allowed after Picard agreed at the end of "Ensign Ro". And she was not the only Bajoran in Starfleet.

 

[Orphalesion]

I Was in the USArmy, the psychologists wore the same uniform that everyone else wore.

But Starfleet isn't the US army. It's a fictional organization from 300 years in the future.

While I agree that it would have been better to put Troi in a uniform from the beginning (it would imho also been better to make her the Enterprise's chief Science Officer or Diplomatic Officer than have a therapist sit next to the Captain), whatever psychologists wear in any real life, present day armed forces on earth isn't really relevant to the costuming in Star Trek.

 

[Sidewinder]

So many people should have been sacked because of Sub Rosa. How the hell did it ever get made I mean surely someone somewhere in the process of making it should have screamed stop.
Im shocked it was so late in the run too I always assumed it was early on with the crazy zenophobic Irish episode or the budget store Wakanda one

You make a good point. But I think that they thought firing anyone halfway through the last season would have been pointless.

I still remember the episode for giving me several unintended laughs. 11-12 year old me was laughing hysterically when Beverly vaporized Ronin. Despite that it was supposed to be an emotional moment and a difficult decision.

 

[Nakita Akita]

But Starfleet isn't the US army. It's a fictional organization from 300 years in the future.

While I agree that it would have been better to put Troi in a uniform from the beginning (it would imho also been better to make her the Enterprise's chief Science Officer or Diplomatic Officer than have a therapist sit next to the Captain), whatever psychologists wear in any real life, present day armed forces on earth isn't really relevant to the costuming in Star Trek.

Regardless of whether the Federation claims it is a military or not. If there are uniforms to be worn, then everyone should be wearing it while on duty.
Otherwise why have the uniform?
Now or three hundred years from now.