Disappointed by the importance of the lack of technology

[saladdays]

Also, there were countless places and events that Enterprise witnessed that the Vulcans had never experienced themselves. So there is quite a bit of stuff that's out there that's unknown, even if there are quite a few races that humans had encountered before Enterprise.

 

[ihno]

I was not complaining about that they were excited, I was complaining about their carelessness and that B&B did it in such a obvious way. But I guess I have already explained that. And yes, the dog, the chamber and stuff like "they didn't say their name" didn't help me to ignore it.

I was okay in season 4 with the show. If they had started like that it would have been much better I guess.

 

[Tenacity]

Not according to ST09. The old Spock says that Scotty has found a way to transport at warp and that means that it's a common point to both universes

But that was beaming from a planet to a ship, not from a ship at warp, which (again) I dn't think we ever saw.

Archer was an experienced Starfleet officer

Experienced at commanding a ship, when did this happen? Where were Archer's long winded stories about being a junior deck officer, then a second officer, then a first officer? Archer went (apparently) directly from being a test pilot to being captain of a long range ship with a crew of eighty.

No wonder he had no idea what he was doing.

Warp two, even warp three isn't going to get them anywhere in much less than two months

We explored this planet during the age of sail with ships that took longer than that to reach their destinations. Prior to the warp five starship, there was the warp four starships.

If it takes half a year, then you spend half a year.

With that logic the entire touring industry would be dead on it's arse. Pyramids in Egypt? Cool. visit them? Nah, I know they're out there. It's cool.

Why would you go to Egypt if you didn't alreay know the pyramids were there? I'd be willing to bet that the vast majority of tourists go to places they already know are there.

When I flew from LA to Hawaii, I certainly wasn't anticipating just flying out into the open Pacific Ocean.

 

[MacLeod]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but even in the 24th century they didn't have the ability to transport at warp.Goes back to clueless, they weren't depicted as "professionals," by that point in time Earth should have had professional Starfleet officers with decades of experience.

You're partially wrong they can transport at warp in the 24th century see TNG's BOBW. O'Brien has a line something along the lines of "We have matched warp for transport". However that was trasnporting at warp to another ship travelling at warp. Not sure how it would work for a ship travelling at warp to say a planet. I think the closest we have is TNG "The Schizoid Man" were we see a near warp transport (literally the ship drops out of warp, beams down the crew and re-enages warp.)

 

[jamestyler]

I was not complaining about that they were excited, I was complaining about their carelessness and that B&B did it in such a obvious way. But I guess I have already explained that. And yes, the dog, the chamber and stuff like "they didn't say their name" didn't help me to ignore it.

I was okay in season 4 with the show. If they had started like that it would have been much better I guess.

I get your point - but to me there have been FAR worse cases of that. Small things like that are a means to an end; in the context of the story, mission and characters - it made sense to me. If everything in Trek was done by the book - in all generations - it'd be an absolutely dreadful franchise about book keeping

Though that decon chamber stuff really annoyed me. The worst of it came later though when T'Pol and Phlox were in there. For all the shows sins - that was the most awkward, there was no maturity to it. It was teenage smut which made the intent very much a cringeworthy addition :/

Where were Archer's long winded stories about being a junior deck officer, then a second officer, then a first officer? Archer went (apparently) directly from being a test pilot to being captain of a long range ship with a crew of eighty.

There were seven years between him being a pilot and being offered command. It stands to reason that in the seven years between being a pilot and getting offered command of Enterprise, there'd be some serious training involved considering Commander Archer found out that they wanted a captain, not a pilot - (training that clearly his rival was continuing by the dialogue in the episode - and further training in the year between that promotion and the ships launch.

As for his career pre-Commander.... just because it didn't get a mention, didn't mean that never happened. It wouldn't have been on a long range mission like Sisko, Picard, Janeway etc, because there were none up to this point.

Archer's not a rookie. He's been trained and groomed for the position he's in. And the First Flight episode in part showed that he was the kind of officer they wanted - someone just a little bit impulsive who would go out and throw himself into the mission, take chances and experience all the things that humanity had been denied (by that shows logic).

 

[exocomp]

But that was beaming from a planet to a ship, not from a ship at warp, which (again) I dn't think we ever saw.....

It's possible but I thought Scotty's formula solved all beaming problems at warp. Even Khan used it in the next movie.

 

[Tenacity]

Even Khan used it in the next movie.

Yes, Khan used a device the size of my forearm to beam from a hovering fighter outside of Starfleet HQ to the surface of the Klingon homeworld.

I wonder why Starfleet didn't use the same technology to beam the photon torpedoes directly from Earth to Klingon?

And with that kind of technology why couldn't they easily beam Spock out of the volcano?

And when Kirk was attacked by the swarm ships and decided to abandon ship, why not beam the entire crew back to Earth?

 

[exocomp]

Yes, Khan used a device the size of my forearm to beam from a hovering fighter outside of Starfleet HQ to the surface of the Klingon homeworld.

I wonder why Starfleet didn't use the same technology to beam the photon torpedoes directly from Earth to Klingon?

And with that kind of technology why couldn't they easily beam Spock out of the volcano?

And when Kirk was attacked by the swarm ships and decided to abandon ship, why not beam the entire crew back to Earth?

It's already been established that with the transporter technology they could all be immortal if they wanted to and even de-age at will. Scotty proved that with the transporter you can put someone in suspended animation for nearly a hundred years. Who needs doctors when you have a transporter? The writers quickly forget about those things of most stories wouldn't make much sense.

 

[fireproof78]

It's possible but I thought Scotty's formula solved all beaming problems at warp. Even Khan used it in the next movie.

Not all the problems, just the matter of transporter range based upon transwarp theory. Problem is, S31 confiscated it for their own uses. Stupid Men in Black.

 

[Archer Fan]

I liked the lack of technology. It showed the adversity they faced in their travels.

 

[Hopeful Romantic]

But the thing that annoyed me most was the portrayal of the crew as a bunch of retarded pathfinders.

"Retarded" is a profoundly insensitive choice of insult, even if you are dissing imaginary people. More tact from now on, please.

 

[Tenacity]

^ While used as a pejorative here, the term retarded is a actual word with a recognized meaning.

 

[Andrews]

Yeah, I think the technology felt very 'modern' for the show. I think with the benefit of hindsight, I would have emphasised that things weren't working how they were supposed too. Like the episode with the Transporter engineer's son. I think more episodes should have been made like that.

 

[exocomp]

I think the problem is that their technology looks a lot like ours. On one hand they are about a hundred years before Kirk but on the other hand they are 140 years in our future; We didn't get enough of a sense of the latter. Archer's uniform for example looks so much like ours that Alicia didn't see anything wrong with it. My point being that they tried so hard in making the technology look less advanced than TOS's that they almost ended in our past.

 

[Ithekro]

Since so much of our stuff seems futuristic by 1960's Star Trek standards, it is hard to make the past of the future looks less advanced without it seeming to be less advanced than our present day (which was over 30 years after the original show was cancelled). So the look could not be functionally less advanced and seem plausible. It also hurts now because we advanced a bit in the 15 or so years since the show started that our technology is starting to look more advanced Enterprise's, when our stuff already looked more advanced than TOS. Especially since our stuff seems to be heading for a TNG-VOY vibe aesthetically.

The actual technology used seemed like infant versions of later technologies. Some worked just fine but not as advanced (like the protein resequencers in the Mess Hall, the transporters, or the Warp Five engine). Others were more or less the same thing with a different name and less advantages than their later generations tech (phase pistols, polarized hull plating, and the weapons the ship uses).

 

[exocomp]

Since so much of our stuff seems futuristic by 1960's Star Trek standards, it is hard to make the past of the future looks less advanced without it seeming to be less advanced than our present day (which was over 30 years after the original show was cancelled). So the look could not be functionally less advanced and seem plausible. It also hurts now because we advanced a bit in the 15 or so years since the show started that our technology is starting to look more advanced Enterprise's, when our stuff already looked more advanced than TOS. Especially since our stuff seems to be heading for a TNG-VOY vibe aesthetically.

The actual technology used seemed like infant versions of later technologies. Some worked just fine but not as advanced (like the protein resequencers in the Mess Hall, the transporters, or the Warp Five engine). Others were more or less the same thing with a different name and less advantages than their later generations tech (phase pistols, polarized hull plating, and the weapons the ship uses).

Yes, Archer's phase (sic) rifle burned a hole through malik, the way a phaser rifle would have. People could object that a phaser rifle could have disintegrated him completely, however it would seem like overkill to me. If you can drill a hole big enough to slip your hand through, through someone, why would you need something even more damaging?

 

[Nerys Myk]

If you can drill a hole big enough to slip your hand through, through someone, why would you need something even more damaging?

Have you met the human race?

 

[exocomp]

Have you met the human race?

A sex joke?

 

[Nerys Myk]

A sex joke?

Human nature joke.

 

[Ithekro]

Later phasers are much cleaner, as they vaporize the mess.