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Diet Sodas & Stroke...

fluoride (I always see fluoride trucks with skull on crossbones stickers on the tanks),

Hexafluorosilicic acid is mildly corrosive in pure form and can cause burns, so carries a hazard label. The flouride ions it is used to generate are a) not chemically the same thing and b) revolutionary in preventing tooth decay.

Actally, Alcoah, which first started fluoride sensation, wanted a way to eliminate toxic wastes. At the time, this was like in the 1920's, the CEO of Alcoah was also of the public health service, used 345 communities for study, only 21 out of them was used for the reports, the remaining had more cavities and brittle teeth, only those 21 had less cavities and threw out the rest of the information.

And before anyone scremas 'tinfoil hat', why is it that now a lot of cities are putting less fluoride in the drinking water, now?

Hell, why even put fluoride in dinking water in the first place?
Makes me glad I got well water, and not city water.
 
fluoride (I always see fluoride trucks with skull on crossbones stickers on the tanks),

Hexafluorosilicic acid is mildly corrosive in pure form and can cause burns, so carries a hazard label. The flouride ions it is used to generate are a) not chemically the same thing and b) revolutionary in preventing tooth decay.

Actally, Alcoah, which first started fluoride sensation, wanted a way to eliminate toxic wastes. At the time, this was like in the 1920's, the CEO of Alcoah was also of the public health service, used 345 communities for study, only 21 out of them was used for the reports, the remaining had more cavities and brittle teeth, only those 21 had less cavities and threw out the rest of the information.

And before anyone scremas 'tinfoil hat', why is it that now a lot of cities are putting less fluoride in the drinking water, now?

Hell, why even put fluoride in dinking water in the first place?
Makes me glad I got well water, and not city water.

Source and links, please?
 
Actally, Alcoah, which first started fluoride sensation, wanted a way to eliminate toxic wastes. At the time, this was like in the 1920's, the CEO of Alcoah was also of the public health service, used 345 communities for study, only 21 out of them was used for the reports, the remaining had more cavities and brittle teeth, only those 21 had less cavities and threw out the rest of the information.

Alcoa, no 'h', and source? Also, a demonstration that this is the only research supporting fluoride effects?

And before anyone scremas 'tinfoil hat', why is it that now a lot of cities are putting less fluoride in the drinking water, now?

Largely, because people whinged about it, and its expensive. A combination of the two. Calgary, to take an example, dropped it because people said it sohuld be their choice to take fluoride. The province medical board still maintains that it is beneficial to dental health and shows no detrimental effects to put fluoride in the water. But the tinfoil hat brigade scared enough people into stopping it.

Hell, why even put fluoride in dinking water in the first place?

Because it's demonstrably beneficial to the tune of a 40-70% slower rate of tooth decay. And at 0.7-1.2ppm it is orders of magnitude below toxic levels. Drinking fluorinated water will kill you by overdose of water before it does any harm from the fluoride.

Makes me glad I got well water, and not city water.

Brush your teeth with chalk paste too, I hope. None of this modern rubbish.
 
I never touch aspartame....and I am finding it annoying how it ends up in other foods....I remember seeing some Mars chocolates and the label said "Natural Flavors" I called the number on the wrapper, and I asked the information person what it meant, and she said it was aspartame...ugh! I also found non-diet sodas containing aspartame in addition to the sugar, I mean corn syrup. So people are getting aspartame shoved down their throats and not even knowing it. Also, aspartame, at a certain temperature, somewhere in the 80's, I believe, converts into formaldehyde, and when it's in your body, which is close to 100 degrees, I could see it converting, alright. And why does that rat-ass bastard, Donald Rumsfeld (yea, that guy, one of Bush's puppet string pullers)wants Aspartame in ALL our foods, he said it publicly, that he wants that junk in all our foods. He and Reagon were buddies in the 1980's, and was able to get aspartame approved for consumption rather quickly cause ole' Ronnie owed him an old favor. Hell, in some South American countries, they mix aspartame with steavia....bad news if you are looking for something safe, like steavia.

And aspartame started out as an ulcer drug, and the guy making it got some on his fingers....and the moron he was, decided to taste it, and noticed it was sweet, and so, on that alone, it became a sweetener. Sorry, but just because some mainstream news source says it's safe, I am not going to simply believe it, especially since mainstream media is bought and controlled by so many companies.

Aspartame, MSG, high fructose corn syrup, fluoride (I always see fluoride trucks with skull on crossbones stickers on the tanks), various food dyes and GMO foods.....are all poisons and bad news....and if you're feedings your friends and family that stuff, shame on you.

You must live a very frightening existence of your own creation.

No, just a fellow who looks up stuff and does not want bad stuff in his body.

Yea, I know, independent thinking is not cool and all, but I don't care.

Of course you're an independent thinker, just like everyone else.

"You can't be a non-conformist if you don't drink coffee":
[yt]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=krRrFRXxSpE[/yt]

I don't care what you do yourself, but when you perpetuate false and often unhealthy rumors (as in the case of the fluoride conspiracy, or the MMR vaccine causes autism myth) and then have the nerve to cap off your tinfoil hat conspiracy by telling everyone else we should be ashamed of ourselves for not giving in to hysterics, you deserve to get called on it.
 
You must live a very frightening existence of your own creation.

No, just a fellow who looks up stuff and does not want bad stuff in his body.

Yea, I know, independent thinking is not cool and all, but I don't care.

Of course you're an independent thinker, just like everyone else.

"You can't be a non-conformist if you don't drink coffee":


I don't care what you do yourself, but when you perpetuate false and often unhealthy rumors (as in the case of the fluoride conspiracy, or the MMR vaccine causes autism myth) and then have the nerve to cap off your tinfoil hat conspiracy by telling everyone else we should be ashamed of ourselves for not giving in to hysterics, you deserve to get called on it.


Riiiiiight. I'm sure Galileo and Copernicus had days like this.
 
No, just a fellow who looks up stuff and does not want bad stuff in his body.

Yea, I know, independent thinking is not cool and all, but I don't care.

Of course you're an independent thinker, just like everyone else.

"You can't be a non-conformist if you don't drink coffee":


I don't care what you do yourself, but when you perpetuate false and often unhealthy rumors (as in the case of the fluoride conspiracy, or the MMR vaccine causes autism myth) and then have the nerve to cap off your tinfoil hat conspiracy by telling everyone else we should be ashamed of ourselves for not giving in to hysterics, you deserve to get called on it.


Riiiiiight. I'm sure Galileo and Copernicus had days like this.

Uh, Galileo and Copernicus didn't perpetuate false and unhealthy rumors, for one thing.
 
Of course you're an independent thinker, just like everyone else.

"You can't be a non-conformist if you don't drink coffee":


I don't care what you do yourself, but when you perpetuate false and often unhealthy rumors (as in the case of the fluoride conspiracy, or the MMR vaccine causes autism myth) and then have the nerve to cap off your tinfoil hat conspiracy by telling everyone else we should be ashamed of ourselves for not giving in to hysterics, you deserve to get called on it.


Riiiiiight. I'm sure Galileo and Copernicus had days like this.

Uh, Galileo and Copernicus didn't perpetuate false and unhealthy rumors, for one thing.

"But the fact that some geniuses were laughed at does not imply that all who are laughed at are geniuses. They laughed at Columbus, they laughed at Fulton, they laughed at the Wright Brothers. But they also laughed at Bozo the Clown. " - Carl Sagan
 
Riiiiiight. I'm sure Galileo and Copernicus had days like this.

Did you seriously just compare yourself and your ridiculous conspiracies to the genius and works of Galileo and Copernicus? That's precious. Don't ever change.

Galileo and Copernicus tried to broaden our understanding of the universe and our place in it through science. You, on the other hand, are anti-science, and dismiss the hard work and research of hundreds of international regulatory agencies and independent labs as nothing more than the product of government and corporate bribery, without evidence of your own, based solely on your paranoid conspiracy fantasies that wouldn't hold up to the slightest bit of scrutiny. You perpetuate damaging myths and disparage scientists who, like Galileo and Copernicus, are trying to broaden our understanding of the world or make life better for people.
 
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^ I love you for saying that. Theres nothing more disturbing (really disturbing) than the inner workings of the mind of a conspiracy theorist. Sticking your fingers in your ears and going 'la la la la la la la' because actual evidence disagrees with what your saying is a major problem for humanity at the moment.
 
I gave up drinking soda a little over a year ago and don't miss it.

Diet sodas I found so awful I can't understand how anyone could ever drink it. I don't know if they're poisonous or not, but they certainly taste like they are.
 
"But the fact that some geniuses were laughed at does not imply that all who are laughed at are geniuses. They laughed at Columbus, they laughed at Fulton, they laughed at the Wright Brothers. But they also laughed at Bozo the Clown. " - Carl Sagan

"...they laughed at Columbo."
"Who's Columbo?"
"The man with the dirty mac who discovered America."
- Arnold Rimmer & Dave Lister
 
Diet sodas I found so awful I can't understand how anyone could ever drink it. I don't know if they're poisonous or not, but they certainly taste like they are.

I remember switching from regular to diet over ten years ago now. Didn't notice any difference in the taste.

I'd like to quit drinking diet coke. First step for me is to drink less and tell myself I can do without having more.
 
I'm too fond of regular cola, or at least my preferred brands.

Diet cola, not so much. My theory is that the artificial sweeteners don't thicken the beverage the way cane sugar or hfcs does or whatever the manufacturers use to thicken the beverage doesn't quite produce the same effect in the mouth.

To me the difference is sufficient that the diet cola isn't sufficiently better than chilled tap water (fortunately the local tap water is pretty good).

An association between diet drinks and a slightly increased chance of strokes sounds reasonable to me, as they probably contain salt (sodium chloride) that, in sufficient quantity, elevate blood pressure in susceptible individuals.
 
I'm too fond of regular cola, or at least my preferred brands.

Diet cola, not so much. My theory is that the artificial sweeteners don't thicken the beverage the way cane sugar or hfcs does or whatever the manufacturers use to thicken the beverage doesn't quite produce the same effect in the mouth.

To me the difference is sufficient that the diet cola isn't sufficiently better than chilled tap water (fortunately the local tap water is pretty good).

An association between diet drinks and a slightly increased chance of strokes sounds reasonable to me, as they probably contain salt (sodium chloride) that, in sufficient quantity, elevate blood pressure in susceptible individuals.

Yea, my aunt, who drinks diet teas and colas all day handed me one, and I did not even read the label....it tasted god awful, plus it gave me one HELL of a headache. Plus I have heard it actually can cause weight gain instead of the opposite....which would explain why my aunt's blowing up like a balloon each time I see her. :vulcan:
 
"...they laughed at Columbo."
"Who's Columbo?"
"The man with the dirty mac who discovered America."
And he always has the last laugh.

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