The first time you saw it what was your reaction. I know i teared up during his funeral. I don't care what anyone says, Shatner did a good job with that scene.
Did you tear up during spocks death/funeral?
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Nope. I was five. I was spending the whole time trying to figured out what hell had just happened.
It's hard to digest poorly explained (and executed) deus ex machina when you're five.
22 years later, I'm still working on it.
It's hard to digest poorly explained (and executed) deus ex machina when you're five.
22 years later, I'm still working on it.
Yes I did. And still do on occasion when watching that scene.
I don't see what's so hard to understand: The ship was damaged in battle and couldn't go to Warp Speed. Spock fixed it and died of radiation poisoning. And I honestly don't see a deus ex machina anywhere in that.
I posted this in another thread.
I could go into more detail, but I don't really see a point.
But in short: TPTB need to kill-off character. They create a really contrived plot-device and then a really contrived response to said plot-device in order to do so.
It an example of lazy writing that no one seems willing to acknowledge because (for reasons that completely allude me) the movie is worshiped and can do no wrong.
They created this whole elaborate hoop that everyone had to jump through just to kill off Spock. Plus, after doing so, they had to give themselves an "out" just in case they decide later it was a bad idea.
And, it was kind of anti-climatic. The reference the villain as being a super genius over and over again to pound it into our brains. And then, he decides to turn himself into a glorified Baka Bomb.
In the meantime, the engine won't start. And, in order to fix it, Spock pulls out some techno-bullshit out of his ass that no one understands except that it'll kill him.Of course, the whole time all the engineers are standing around with their collective fingers up their asses.
I could go into more detail, but I don't really see a point.
But in short: TPTB need to kill-off character. They create a really contrived plot-device and then a really contrived response to said plot-device in order to do so.
It an example of lazy writing that no one seems willing to acknowledge because (for reasons that completely allude me) the movie is worshiped and can do no wrong.
I don't acknowledge it as "lazy writing" because its never struck me as such. I saw the movie when it came out and dozens of times since then on VHS and DVD and its never struck me as contrived in the least. And I never had any trouble understand what was going on in the plot, its always made pretty straight forward sense to me.
Yes I did. It still makes me cry, even after a hundred or so viewings.
I absolutely did.
Every time.
Yup. Still does even though he came back.
I posted this in another thread.
I could go into more detail, but I don't really see a point.They created this whole elaborate hoop that everyone had to jump through just to kill off Spock. Plus, after doing so, they had to give themselves an "out" just in case they decide later it was a bad idea.
And, it was kind of anti-climatic. The reference the villain as being a super genius over and over again to pound it into our brains. And then, he decides to turn himself into a glorified Baka Bomb.
In the meantime, the engine won't start. And, in order to fix it, Spock pulls out some techno-bullshit out of his ass that no one understands except that it'll kill him.
But in short: TPTB need to kill-off character. They create a really contrived plot-device and then a really contrived response to said plot-device in order to do so.
It an example of lazy writing that no one seems willing to acknowledge because (for reasons that completely allude me) the movie is worshiped and can do no wrong.
Well, I accept that you don't like the movie. Different strokes for different folks and all that. But I'd hardly call it "lazy writing".
The ship is damaged in battle, the engines don't work. A bomb is about to go off, they are all going to die. Spock manages to fix the engines (in a room flooded with radiation), but ends up dying as a consequence. I don't understand what you mean by "contrived plot device". Pretty much every plot device that exists in any movie could be considered contrived. The idea that a hero gives his life to save others is a classical plot device, something used throughout the history of cinema. I could cite numerous examples.
Its not exactly technobabbly either. It doesn't matter what Spock is doing, did you want it explaining?
He could be fixing a loose wire or putting the plug back in the socket for all I care. The plot works as well as it needs to give the required emotional impact.
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And I also cried a little at the end of TSFS after Spock says: Jim...your name...is Jim. 
No Im too much of a manly man!
However it did coincide with 2 pieces of dust getting into each of my eyes simultaneously, which caused them to water profusley.
Strangely enough this situation has occured more than once...
...What are the chances of that?
However it did coincide with 2 pieces of dust getting into each of my eyes simultaneously, which caused them to water profusley.
Strangely enough this situation has occured more than once...
...What are the chances of that?
Sorry, Spock dies? When?? Where's the fudging spoiler code??!!??
At least Data's still with us.
At least Data's still with us.
Also a crier, here!
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Yes.
Oh, and not only do I cry each time I see it, I stand up and place my right hand over my heart during the whole funeral scene.
Yes, I said it. Right hand. Over the heart. Entire scene.
J.
Oh, and not only do I cry each time I see it, I stand up and place my right hand over my heart during the whole funeral scene.
Yes, I said it. Right hand. Over the heart. Entire scene.
J.
Me, too. Evertime!
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