Did we land on moon?
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How sad, attacking the medium without being able to refute the content is so childish.
Since you do not understand the meaning or in this case the meaningless of reflectors on the moon, your argument is moot.
For you information whether there be a reflector or not the reflection from the moon will be in the order of 10s of photons and the reflection would have been from an area of couple of square kilometers since even a laser beam spreads out when traveling long distance.
As for the papers published by Tokyo University they are just initial findings all published in the early 70's and I have not seen any following reports that should follow after.
As for this article;
http://www.agu.org/pubs/crossref/2005/2005GL023909.shtml
It's not about the moon rocks that were brought back by apollo but a lunar meteorite.
Fine, you want more recent papers then. Weren't satisfied with being proven wrong about your initial claims?
Uranium-lead systematics of low-Ti basaltic meteorite Dhofar 287A; affinity to Apollo 15 green glasses
Terada, Kentaro; Sasaki, Yu; Anand, Mahesh; Sano, Yuji; Taylor, Lawrence A; Horie, Kenji
Earth and Planetary Science Letters, vol. 270, no. 1-2, pp.119-124, 15 Jun 2008
Spectroscopy of nearside highland in relation to Apollo 16 rock samples
Yamamoto, A; Arai, T; Takeda, H; Miyamoto, M
Abstracts of Papers Submitted to the Lunar and Planetary Science Conference, vol. 38, Abstract 1590, 2007
Apollo 14 oldest mare basalt revisited; possible petrogenetic connection between Mg gabbronorite and VHK basalt
Arai, T; Takeda, H; Miyamoto, M; Kojima, H
Abstracts of Papers Submitted to the Lunar and Planetary Science Conference, vol.37, unpaginated, 2006
LAP02205 lunar meteorite; lunar mare basalt with similarities to the Apollo 12 ilmenite basalt
Mikouchi, T; Chokai, J; Arai, T; Koizumi, E; Monkawa, A; Miyamoto, M
Abstracts of Papers Submitted to the Lunar and Planetary Science Conference, vol.35, unpaginated, 2004
Neutron capture effects on samarium, europium, and gadolinium in Apollo 15 deep drill-core samples
Hidaka, Hiroshi; Ebihara, Mitsuru; Yoneda, Shigekazu
Meteoritics & Planetary Science, vol.35, no.3, pp.581-589, May 2000
The comparison of neutron energy spectrum between aubrites and lunar soils (Apollo-15) obtained from samarium and gadolinium isotopic compositions
Hidaka, H; Ebihara, M; Yoneda, S
Meteoritics & Planetary Science, vol.33, no.4, Suppl., pp.A67, Jul 1998
Chemical zonings and cooling histories of pyroxene and spinels in lunar meteorites, Apollo 12 mare basalts and eucrites
Arai, T; Takeda, H
Abstracts of the ... General Meeting of the International Mineralogical Association, vol.16, pp.15, 1994
Glasses in lunar meteorite Y82193; comparisons to Apollo 16 feldspathic fragmental and regolith breccias
Wentworth, Susan J; McKay, D S; Takeda, H
Meteoritics, vol.24, no.4, pp.340, Dec 1989
-MEC
Uranium-lead systematics of low-Ti basaltic meteorite Dhofar 287A; affinity to Apollo 15 green glasses
Terada, Kentaro; Sasaki, Yu; Anand, Mahesh; Sano, Yuji; Taylor, Lawrence A; Horie, Kenji
Earth and Planetary Science Letters, vol. 270, no. 1-2, pp.119-124, 15 Jun 2008
Spectroscopy of nearside highland in relation to Apollo 16 rock samples
Yamamoto, A; Arai, T; Takeda, H; Miyamoto, M
Abstracts of Papers Submitted to the Lunar and Planetary Science Conference, vol. 38, Abstract 1590, 2007
Apollo 14 oldest mare basalt revisited; possible petrogenetic connection between Mg gabbronorite and VHK basalt
Arai, T; Takeda, H; Miyamoto, M; Kojima, H
Abstracts of Papers Submitted to the Lunar and Planetary Science Conference, vol.37, unpaginated, 2006
LAP02205 lunar meteorite; lunar mare basalt with similarities to the Apollo 12 ilmenite basalt
Mikouchi, T; Chokai, J; Arai, T; Koizumi, E; Monkawa, A; Miyamoto, M
Abstracts of Papers Submitted to the Lunar and Planetary Science Conference, vol.35, unpaginated, 2004
Neutron capture effects on samarium, europium, and gadolinium in Apollo 15 deep drill-core samples
Hidaka, Hiroshi; Ebihara, Mitsuru; Yoneda, Shigekazu
Meteoritics & Planetary Science, vol.35, no.3, pp.581-589, May 2000
The comparison of neutron energy spectrum between aubrites and lunar soils (Apollo-15) obtained from samarium and gadolinium isotopic compositions
Hidaka, H; Ebihara, M; Yoneda, S
Meteoritics & Planetary Science, vol.33, no.4, Suppl., pp.A67, Jul 1998
Chemical zonings and cooling histories of pyroxene and spinels in lunar meteorites, Apollo 12 mare basalts and eucrites
Arai, T; Takeda, H
Abstracts of the ... General Meeting of the International Mineralogical Association, vol.16, pp.15, 1994
Glasses in lunar meteorite Y82193; comparisons to Apollo 16 feldspathic fragmental and regolith breccias
Wentworth, Susan J; McKay, D S; Takeda, H
Meteoritics, vol.24, no.4, pp.340, Dec 1989
-MEC
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OK, despite HUGE HEAPING PILES of contrary evidence, the stubborn blue samurai hangs on to his muleish conviction that man has not set foot on the moon based largely on a paper written in 1962 and discussing the technology of 1962, a time when man had barely orbited the planet, lasers were uncommmon research toys, and the year that JFK proclaimed:
"...we choose to go to the moon in this decade and do the other things, not because they are easy, but because they are hard, because that goal will serve to organize and measure the best of our energies and skills, because that challenge is one that we are willing to accept, one we are unwilling to postpone, and one which we intend to win, and the others, too..."
About that challenge? It worked, we went. We went for all mankind. We've shared what we learned with the countrymen of other nations, both our knowledge from the experience itself and by sharing samples of the materials brought back from our closest neighbor.
Done deal. Now, onward!
I hereby postulate my own theory:
Godzilla exists, and Japan is helpless against him!
A great number of movies and the late Raymond Burr will be my irrefuteable evidence!
Burr was going to hang a lemon on the mighty lizard at a press conference I understand.
"...we choose to go to the moon in this decade and do the other things, not because they are easy, but because they are hard, because that goal will serve to organize and measure the best of our energies and skills, because that challenge is one that we are willing to accept, one we are unwilling to postpone, and one which we intend to win, and the others, too..."
About that challenge? It worked, we went. We went for all mankind. We've shared what we learned with the countrymen of other nations, both our knowledge from the experience itself and by sharing samples of the materials brought back from our closest neighbor.
Done deal. Now, onward!
I hereby postulate my own theory:
Godzilla exists, and Japan is helpless against him!
A great number of movies and the late Raymond Burr will be my irrefuteable evidence!
Burr was going to hang a lemon on the mighty lizard at a press conference I understand.
So many people who can't read.
First of all, the National Astronomical Observatory of Japan(the origin) states that they have not tested the laser reflectors and yet everyone believes a secondary source that they have.
Er, except that the secondary source is you. YOU are the one that said that they performed the test in the 90s and found that the reflectors were there but not very accurate, so i'll post this again:
What's the matter, do you not remember what you yourself typed with your own hands just a few posts ago?
I cannot help but think this thread should have been resolved with the comment "of course we fucking did".
Guess what...
Terrorists attacked the World Trade Centre on 9/11, not the CIA.
Lee Harvey Oswald shot JFK.
Area-51 is just an airbase.
The government is not covering up the existence of aliens (see above).
There is not a Zionist conspiracy to rule the world.
The illuminati are not secretly running the world.
I could go on...
Conspiracy theories are generally a load of crap - including the tosh posted in this thread.
Guess what...
Terrorists attacked the World Trade Centre on 9/11, not the CIA.
Lee Harvey Oswald shot JFK.
Area-51 is just an airbase.
The government is not covering up the existence of aliens (see above).
There is not a Zionist conspiracy to rule the world.
The illuminati are not secretly running the world.
I could go on...
Conspiracy theories are generally a load of crap - including the tosh posted in this thread.
RobertScorpio
Pariah
Wow..I didn't even know this thread was still going...fascinating read though!!!
Rob
Scorpio
However:
Abraham Lincoln died as the result of a conspiracy.
Arch Duke Franz Ferdinand=conspiracy
Both were undeniably page-turning events in history. I generally agree with you that MOST conspiracy theories are garbage, but that expectation also in some ways it makes it easier to potentially conceal a conspiracy.
I am, for example, relatively convinced Martin Luther King jr died as the result of a conspiracy. RFK was POSSIBLY a consipiracy, in my mind (keeping in mind the notion that it takes only TWO to make a consipracy). JFK, I believe Oswald acted alone and would wager VERY LARGE sums of money on that.
I have NO DOUBT that the US government is concealing INFORMATION about UFOs. One need only look at the many dozens of censored government documents that have been obtained by researchers through the Freedom of Information Act. The documents, many heavily censored, tell little except the government is concealing SOME information. It could be fairly argued that it is information concerning methods of snooping, sources, what-not, but it COULD be more. Further, some agencies (the CIA for example) have denied completely having any information pertaining to UFOs, only to have to eat crow and release documents, the existence of which has been revealed by cross-references from other agencies. Again, for the vast majority, they are so heavily censored as to reveal little or nothing. UFO researcher Stanton Friedman has published in some of his books correspondence he's obtained that moved BETWEEN government agencies telling each other to deny the existnece of any documents or records if he requests them. Clearly, and beyond a doubt, the government or AGENTS of the government are definately concealing information regarding UFOs. It's inescapable. WHAT they are concealing the nature of what they know (or don't know) is WIDE open to speculation though. The point is, it cannot be denied the government hides information regarding UFOs.
But, yeah, we DID go to the moon.
RobertScorpio
Pariah
We didn't. But the Americans on Earth-two did before it was retconned out by the Crisis of Infinite Earths.
Rob
Canary
I have no doubt either, as I'm sure some of them are secret military aircraft.
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But in neither case were there wacko conspiracy theories based on little or no evidence, contrived coincidences and just bullshit. There was evidence, lots of it, there were conspirators.
You might notice when conspiracy theories are made up (yes made up) they generally get the side that involves human motivation totally wrong. In the case of the moon landings the simplest explanation is that we did land on the moon.
Quite simply then - actually landing on the moon would be EASIER than convincingly faking it and keeping the secret for forty years!
They don't hide anything at all - they just don't tell anyone anything. That is how governments and militaries and the intelligence services work.
The USAF is not going to publish reports on anything, they will not tell you if they play chicken with Migs and they will not tell you if one of their prototypes happens to make yokels think they have seen aliens. They have no reason to and no motivation to.
While I have faith that alien life exists there is little or no convinicing evidence that the aliens have ever visited Earth, in all honestly I doubt that they ever have.
I reiterate my first point - not telling you something does not indicate it is being covered up, you just aren't being told!
Well, yes. But that's nowhere near as dramatic as making up a lot of nonsense and attempting to pass it off as "fact".
Okay, these guys describe the asskicker for me:
if WE(the United States) did not land on the moon, they why did THEY(the Soviet Union) not shout out at the top of their lungs over and over again
It's a faaaaaake!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
and
if WE(the United States) did not land on the moon, they why did THEY(the Soviet Union) not shout out at the top of their lungs over and over again
It's a faaaaaake!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Small point, but in regards to the crews' radiation exposure, exactly how many former astronauts have since suffered from cancer? Off the top of my head I know at least one has died from from cancer and I'm reasonably sure others have at least suffered ill effects over the years.
As for UFOs, of course most government keep quiet about them because they're either A) Known aircraft that are supposed to be SECRET at the time, B) reported by morons who can't tell a flare from a spaceship or C) They really are unidentified and no government or military wants to come out and publically say they don't have a clue what's going on, coz that'd be stupid on so many levels.
As for UFOs, of course most government keep quiet about them because they're either A) Known aircraft that are supposed to be SECRET at the time, B) reported by morons who can't tell a flare from a spaceship or C) They really are unidentified and no government or military wants to come out and publically say they don't have a clue what's going on, coz that'd be stupid on so many levels.
Yes we did and soon we do it again
I love how most of the arguments used in favour of the landing on the moon are the same ones ridiculed when people who believe in Jesus use them in favour of that belief lol.
For the record I believe NASA did land on the moon in 1969. One thing that has always bothered me though is why has Neil Armstrong always been so secretive afterwards? Like he knew he was a fake and ran away from the spotlight because of it. Or what other reason could there be?
For the record I believe NASA did land on the moon in 1969. One thing that has always bothered me though is why has Neil Armstrong always been so secretive afterwards? Like he knew he was a fake and ran away from the spotlight because of it. Or what other reason could there be?
He doesn't owe anybody anything. And just think of the a**hole* you don't have to deal with, cramming their ignorance down your throat.
It's true. Basic photography experience and the Cold War are certainly arguments in favor of Jesus.
Maybe he's just a private person. Astronauts are often type-A personalities, but that isn't a firm rule. And something as profound as going the moon could change a person even if he used to be.
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