In the four-issue Star Trek: Countdown comic book, JeanLuc Picard is the Federation ambassador to Vulcan.
Just saying.
Did TNG predict the catalyst for ST2009?
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Just saying.
What I'm saying though is these were their plans before the Dominion showed up. The Dominion threat changed their plans, especially as changeling-Martok was egging Gowron toward war.
In Heart Of Glory and Matter of Honor I didn't get the impression that the Klingons were part of the Federation, so much as they had put their warrior days behind them and moved in a new less aggressive cultural direction.
^^Heart of Glory at least carries a strong implication Klingons are members of the Federation since the bridge of the Klingon ship has the Federation's flag on the wall. And then there's Samaritan Snare where Wesley actually asks "was this before the Klingons joined the Federation?"
I doubt All Good Things played a role in the writers' decision to blow up Romulus (though as F. King Daniel pointed out, it was still around in that future). But I wouldn't put it past the writers to cite it eventually if it comes to that. After all, they cited Parallels as the inspiration for the mechanics behind the alternate timeline idea for '09.
Star Trek Magazine had an article in the lead-up to Star Trek Online, where they charted (in a format ala the Star Trek Chronology) the major events that shaped the Trek universe seen in the game, between Nemesis, the 2009 movie and onwards to ST:Online. The article cleverly managed to incorporate elements of the AGT future into it (Picard becoming an ambassador then retiring to France; Beverly becoming Captain of the Pasteur; Worf's role as a governor on a Klingon world; the Romulans becoming a weakened force and the Klingons taking the opportunity to annexe territory from the former empire following Romulus's collapse; increased tensions between the Federation and Klingons; etc) while still being plausible with the way things developed in Nemesis and ST2009. A kind of collaborative meshing of entirely disparate ideas.
Having just re-read the article in question this weekend, I must say it's surprising how consistently it all holds up as a plausible post-AGT, post-DS9, post-Nemesis, post-ST2009 narrative.
Having just re-read the article in question this weekend, I must say it's surprising how consistently it all holds up as a plausible post-AGT, post-DS9, post-Nemesis, post-ST2009 narrative.
Wow...I never noticed the Federation flag in that episode. Seen that episode at least a half dozen times and there's still stuff I've missed...
LOL! Agreed!
Not to mention DS9 season 4, too. The UFP and Klingon Empire being allies really doesn't make all that much sense when you think about it. Simply not being engaged in a war, or a cold war, against each other, doesn't necessarily make them allies. Their relationship should more properly be classified as a non-aggression pact.
Really what made the Federation and Klingons allies were having enemies they hated way more than each other. The Romulans, the Dominion. They've always gotten along the best when they have a common threat.
When there's no common threat, Klingon politicians in need of political allies play up the glorious warrior past against Federation pacifism.
When there's no common threat, Klingon politicians in need of political allies play up the glorious warrior past against Federation pacifism.
I doubt that J.J. Abrams and his crew took inspiration from "All Good Things...", but the producers of Star Trek Online clearly did.
But it seems to me that STO charted its own path with D'tan's Romulan Republic. Plus the whole return of the Iconians.
I hope that if Star Trek returns to after Nemesis in the prime reality, the Federation Starfleet will indeed have the Galaxy class refit from "All Good Things..." and not with any new name like Galaxy X class. The Constitution and Miranda class (in the novels for the latter) refits didn't need a new name. And I agree that the Klingon Empire should become part of the Federation at some point in the future.
But it seems to me that STO charted its own path with D'tan's Romulan Republic. Plus the whole return of the Iconians.
I hope that if Star Trek returns to after Nemesis in the prime reality, the Federation Starfleet will indeed have the Galaxy class refit from "All Good Things..." and not with any new name like Galaxy X class. The Constitution and Miranda class (in the novels for the latter) refits didn't need a new name. And I agree that the Klingon Empire should become part of the Federation at some point in the future.
How? I don't see that unless they overwhelmingly lose a war with the UFP (not possible...such a war would devastate both sides, where neither is a clear cut winner), or Klingons have their version of Surak (again, not possible unless the Klingons are utterly conquered by some external power or by civil war, and there is a movement where they see the futility of war).
I don't see the need or justification for the Klingons to join the Federation. I'm not saying that out of a desire to always have the two sides in play for future conflict, hot, cold or otherwise. Just that it seems reasonable that there is enough space for both to maintain their independent identities, expand, and be focused on their own sphere(s) of influence.
If future hostilities do come about, they can just as easily be caused by outside stressors, i.e. developments of other actors that are beyond the influence or control of either the Empire or the Federation and not because of a fated enmity that is somehow intrinsic to the Klingon cultural DNA.
But, other than an ideologically tinged hope for all races to break bread, have common cause, say kumbaya, etc. I don't think that it's an integral facet of a healthy and effective Federation to need to have every other sizable and influential entity in the galaxy join under its banner.
If future hostilities do come about, they can just as easily be caused by outside stressors, i.e. developments of other actors that are beyond the influence or control of either the Empire or the Federation and not because of a fated enmity that is somehow intrinsic to the Klingon cultural DNA.
But, other than an ideologically tinged hope for all races to break bread, have common cause, say kumbaya, etc. I don't think that it's an integral facet of a healthy and effective Federation to need to have every other sizable and influential entity in the galaxy join under its banner.
I don't see how that could work. It would be like China trying to join the U.S. The Empire would dwarf any other member world. And Klingons are too fiercely independent to do that unless they had been reduced to a single world, or something.
Well I think that exposure to Federation values has changed the Klingon Empire's culture. After a few more centuries, they'll have laws and a culture suitable for Federation membership.
