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Did they ever even mention the Beta Quadrant in Voyager?

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It seems like for simplicity's sake, they just made it like the Alpha Quadrant was slap up against the Delta Quadrant. Since they weren't going through the galactic center, they would have had to gone through part of the BQ to get back home to the Alpha Quadrant. And shouldn't the Message in a Bottle where the doctor was transported to that experimental Starfleet ship have been in the Beta Quadrant? It was probably just to avoid confusion by throwing another quadrant in the mix, but it ended up making it kind of confusing if one already knows the galaxy quadrant map.
 
The beta quadrant isn't addressed in Trek at all. There's been analysis that the Federation is primarily alpha but not entirely etc.

I think really I've learnt as I get older that Starfleet is Earth. American Earth. And when they say Alpha Quadrant they mean Earth. I mean even the finale... it's Earth.

Also @Laura Cynthia Chambers that is a cool resource!
 
That's a pretty cool search device. I may have not expressed my intent entirely clearly though. I only meant that they ignored the Beta Quad in terms of their journey home, not that they eliminated it all mention of it together. I don't have the necessary experience to edit my posts yet, so it must remain confusingly worded for now. Excelsior!

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This existing thread may be what you're after.

 
The beta quadrant isn't addressed in Trek at all. There's been analysis that the Federation is primarily alpha but not entirely etc.
"Stardate 9521.6, Captain's log, U.S.S. Excelsior. Hikaru Sulu commanding. After three years I've concluded my first assignment as master of this vessel, cataloguing gaseous planetary anomalies in the Beta Quadrant. We're heading home under full impulse power. I am pleased to report that ship and crew have functioned well."
 
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I feel like if the producers ever got a chance to go back in time and edit old episodes, they'd put Earth right at the centre of the Alpha Quadrant, as the quadrants have only been relevant for long distance travel.

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Flip the Delta and Gamma Quadrants as well and Voyager has a very straightforward route home, with no Beta Quadrant involved.
 
Voyager's position in the last couple of seasons was very near the Delta/Beta border, but they never actually reached the border before "Endgame," so Beta never really came up except in the few instances Laura linked to. "Renaissance Man" seemed to be the clearest reference to the fact that Voyager's path was toward the Beta Quadrant.

I'm glad to see there's a transcript search tool again. There used to be another one, but it's been defunct for years. Or is this an updated version from the same people?


I feel like if the producers ever got a chance to go back in time and edit old episodes, they'd put Earth right at the centre of the Alpha Quadrant, as the quadrants have only been relevant for long distance travel.

There's no need. The Alpha/Beta dividing plane is defined as passing through the center of the galaxy and Sol, analogously to how the dividing line between the Eastern and Western hemispheres was defined as passing through the Greenwich Observatory in London back when the British Empire dominated the world. It makes more sense for the dominant power making the maps to make itself the center of the whole thing, the definition of an axis of the coordinate system, than to define something else as the axis and put itself in the middle of just one half or one quarter of the whole.

The tendency to refer to the whole Federation and its neighbors as the "Alpha Quadrant" even though much of it is in the Beta Quadrant has a real-world analogy too -- the fact that we refer to Europe as "the West" even though most of it is actually in the Eastern Hemisphere. (And there are analogies on smaller scales too, like how "Greater Cincinnati" incorporates a couple of Kentucky municipalities right across the border from Cincinnati, Ohio.) That kind of technically imprecise shorthand is part of how cartography tends to work in real life, so we should welcome the fact that similar inconsistencies show up in Trek. It makes it feel truer to life than if it were all perfectly consistent and logical.
 
I'm glad to see there's a transcript search tool again. There used to be another one, but it's been defunct for years. Or is this an updated version from the same people?

I think it searches the same site, but now there's DIS, PIC, and LD (no PRO, SNW, vST, or ST searchable yet). Also, you can narrow it down to references in one series, and it shows screencaps and timecodes of the line you look up (the former disappear when you look at the line in context, though)
 
That kind of technically imprecise shorthand is part of how cartography tends to work in real life, so we should welcome the fact that similar inconsistencies show up in Trek. It makes it feel truer to life than if it were all perfectly consistent and logical.
I do agree with that part, I mean that's a real map, it has the real life galactic longitude on it running straight through the Sol system. But in Star Trek it does make things more complicated than they really need to be and leads to every shorthand use being a bit misleading.
 
But in Star Trek it does make things more complicated than they really need to be and leads to every shorthand use being a bit misleading.

Like I said, that happens in real life too, so it's fine with me. Besides, the quadrant distinction rarely matters in a story. It's only relevant in situations like DS9 or VGR where you're talking about different ends of the galaxy. The distinction between Alpha and Beta Quadrants when talking about the Federation and its neighbors is as meaningless as the distinction between the Eastern and Western Hemispheres when asking for directions in London. The scale of the area in question is so tiny in proportion that it falls within the margin of error anyway.
 
Timeless referenced a Cube in the Beta Quadrant being where they salvaged the beacon from

Yeah, but my point is that it's silly that the writers took a concept that was only intended to differentiate opposite sides of the galaxy and started using it for local space. Like I said, it's the equivalent of giving Earthbound directions by specifying which hemisphere something is in. Most of the time, it would never even come up on a local scale. But once TNG and DS9 established the quadrant usage through repetition, writers started using it even in contexts where it didn't make sense -- and misusing it, e.g. by referring to Klingons and Romulans as part of the AQ in DS9 when they're actually in the BQ. (Which was at least implicitly established in the very first mention of the BQ, in The Undiscovered Country. The Excelsior was returning from a BQ survey when it passed near enough to Klingon space to register the Praxis explosion.)

The problem, though, is that there really isn't a good way to subdivide the galaxy on a more local scale. The galactic arms aren't a good reference, because they're very huge and long and twist around a lot, and a large percentage of the galaxy's stars are between arms (contrary to popular belief; the arms aren't made of stars, but of bright nebulae and star formation zones resulting from the compression of density waves passing through the interstellar medium). Dividing things any more finely requires imaginary divisions like sectors, and those are way too small. Ideally there should be at least a couple of intermediate levels of organization between "sector" and "quadrant," but I'm not sure what you'd call them. Maybe sector, region, subquadrant, quadrant?
 
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