Did the Q judge the borg too?

[Kobayshi Maru]

Q isn't actually just a jerk though, he saves humanity by helping out Picard a lot in All Good Things. It seemed like the other Q wanted to destroy us and he stepped in to help.

I think the Q are all in all much less dangerous to humanity than other much less powerful species. The Q could probably wipe those species out or simply control them, as the organians did with the humans and the klingons but they probably don't want to get involved.

 

[bbjeg]

Q isn't actually just a jerk though, he saves humanity by helping out Picard a lot in All Good Things. It seemed like the other Q wanted to destroy us and he stepped in to help.

He also made Picard wake up next to him after sex-night and disturbed Janeway while she bathed, as if he couldn't have called first.

 

[Kobayshi Maru]

Q isn't actually just a jerk though, he saves humanity by helping out Picard a lot in All Good Things. It seemed like the other Q wanted to destroy us and he stepped in to help.

He also made Picard wake up next to him after sex-night and disturbed Janeway while she bathed, as if he couldn't have called first.

I think he was just being mischievous. who ever said that Q lacked a sense of humor?

 

[Mojochi]

The human compulsion. And, unfortunately, for us, a force that will grow stronger century after century, eon after eon...

Perhaps in a future you cannot yet conceive... even beyond us...

Perhaps nothing. The Q know, and that' s the only reason they have a vested interest in Humanity above all other intelligent beings. Things may get sticky for them because of us. If that dork Wesley can evolve higher cognitive powers, lots if us can

...in apprehension, how like a god...

I see us one be day becoming that, Q. Is that what concerns you?

The jig is up. Everybody knows. The Q "test" isn't about determining if we're worthy of continued existence. They clearly allow a vast array of lesser sentient beings to continue existing & more cognitively developed ones as well. The test is to determine if we in some way pose a threat to them, were we to continue to evolve unchecked. I'd guess that threat to be our specific morality

I won't deny your parlor tricks are impressive, but morality? No, I don't see it. I don't acknowledge it. I would put human morality against the Q's any day. Perhaps that's the fascination we humans hold for you... ? That by our puny example we give you a glimmer of the one thing that eludes your omnipotence -- a moral center.

If we can become more evolved someday, and yet be of a superior morality, then the Q got a situation. The last thing they want is to be on the receiving end of being ordered around, especially given how some of them, like Q, have gotten away with behaving all this time. That's why they might need to eliminate Amanda Rogers, & why the jury is still out on all of us. We got something they don't got, & when the day comes that we have everything they got too, it's a whole new ballgame.

Comeuppance is a bitch, and they may have to act if they think it will come to that

 

[bbjeg]

^Then why haven't the Q judge the Trelane or the Metron? I think the Q existed before our universe started, which means the Q were aware of them. If they're judging possible threats, they are a much bigger threat than humans and they were definitely not worthy.

Q does good occasionally but deep down, he's just a trickster. If humans are the threat to the Q as people here state, why aren't the Borg a threat too (who have and will continue to assimilate humans)?

 

[Trekker4747]

^Then why haven't the Q judge the Dwoud or the Metron? I think the Q existed before our universe started, which means the Q were aware of them. If they're judging possible threats, they are a much bigger threat than humans and they were definitely not worthy.

How do we know they haven't judged those other species? Maybe they had and they determined they were "worthy" or maybe there's an omnipotent-alien "cold war" where everyone just says "stay out of our way, we'll stay out of yours."

Or maybe all of these omnipotent species are connected and related to one another (like Vulcans and Romulans) so they all just cope.

 

[bbjeg]

^Then why haven't the Q judge the Dwoud or the Metron? I think the Q existed before our universe started, which means the Q were aware of them. If they're judging possible threats, they are a much bigger threat than humans and they were definitely not worthy.

How do we know they haven't judged those other species? Maybe they had and they determined they were "worthy" or maybe there's an omnipotent-alien "cold war" where everyone just says "stay out of our way, we'll stay out of yours."

Or maybe all of these omnipotent species are connected and related to one another (like Vulcans and Romulans) so they all just cope.

Well, if the Q consider humans to be barbaric, then the Metron, aka the making two aliens fight to the death for fun gods, should have failed his test, and beings like Armus shouldn't exist.


...and I meant Trelane, not Douwd (or Dwoud), who probably also would have failed.

 

[Mojochi]

^Then why haven't the Q judge the Dwoud or the Metron? I think the Q existed before our universe started, which means the Q were aware of them. If they're judging possible threats, they are a much bigger threat than humans and they were definitely not worthy.

Q does good occasionally but deep down, he's just a trickster. If humans are the threat to the Q as people here state, why aren't the Borg a threat too (who have and will continue to assimilate humans)?

Because somehow they have less to fear from them. The Q motivation has never struck me as anything but fear based

The compulsion to learn & grow, that Q speaks of, drives us to perhaps evolve beyond all of them. I mean the only Douwd we ever saw was content to live alone on a planet with his imaginary friend. Not a very driven guy

By Q's own admission, we have the potential to evolve beyond them, which dispels the notion that they are the ultimate in evolution. Perhaps none of those others possess the drive to do so. Maybe they get to a place & that's that & the Q have nothing to really fear from them, but being masters of space & time, they likely have at least a glimpse into what lies ahead for us & what that may mean for them

 

[bbjeg]

^See edit about Douwd, and if the Q lack omniscience, who are they to judge?

 

[Trekker4747]

^Then why haven't the Q judge the Dwoud or the Metron? I think the Q existed before our universe started, which means the Q were aware of them. If they're judging possible threats, they are a much bigger threat than humans and they were definitely not worthy.

How do we know they haven't judged those other species? Maybe they had and they determined they were "worthy" or maybe there's an omnipotent-alien "cold war" where everyone just says "stay out of our way, we'll stay out of yours."

Or maybe all of these omnipotent species are connected and related to one another (like Vulcans and Romulans) so they all just cope.

Well, if the Q consider humans to be barbaric, then the Metron, aka the making two aliens fight to the death for fun gods, should have failed his test, and beings like Armus shouldn't exist.


...and I meant Trelane, not Douwd (or Dwoud), who probably also would have failed.

Well, I'm thinking there's a different -in the Q's eye- between barbaric species that will destroy themselves off themselves one way or another and species like humans who show potential capacity to reach the Q's level or even surpass it.

I just think the Q have their own little measuring stick and it makes no sense to anyone but them.

 

[Kobayshi Maru]

...., then the Metron, aka the making two aliens fight to the death for fun gods, should have failed his test, and beings like Armus shouldn't exist....

I believe the test of the Metron was to see if the winner would spare the loser's life and since Kirk did.... We passed.

From Q's perspective Armus is just a minor inconvenient, much less deadly than a single cyclone or tsunami.

 

[Mojochi]

^See edit about Douwd, and if the Q lack omniscience, who are they to judge?

Are you asking me? Or are you questioning their right to do so? because I think we're all suppose to question their right to do so. It's only they who think it's their right to judge us

I can't imagine they're omniscient, because if they were, there'd be no question. No need for a test or trial. They'd just know what they needed to know about us, & choose what to do, without all the rigmarole, because they'd be all knowing. Besides, if they're indeed omnipotent as they claim, & also omniscient too, then how exactly would humanity ever have the capacity to grow & evolve beyond them... beyond that?

They don't have a... right... to judge us. They're just currently the big kid on the block & having some deeper connection to the universe, they can sort of see the writing on the wall where we're concerned, & are in a quandary as to whether they can justify wiping us from existence to maintain their foothold on supremacy (Which I figure they have the ability to do)

 

[bbjeg]

^I was posing that question, not really directing it just to you btw.

 

[Horizons96]

Maybe the focus on humanity by the Q is due to the far reaching potential and influence of humans and their joint enterprise of a united federation of races. It reminds me of a schoolteacher coming down harder on a student who shows the most promise and application while letting the wilful underachievers to their own devices and destinies.

 

[Kobayshi Maru]

^See edit about Douwd, and if the Q lack omniscience, who are they to judge?

Are you asking me? Or are you questioning their right to do so? because I think we're all suppose to question their right to do so. It's only they who think it's their right to judge us

I can't imagine they're omniscient, because if they were, there'd be no question. No need for a test or trial. They'd just know what they needed to know about us, & choose what to do, without all the rigmarole, because they'd be all knowing. Besides, if they're indeed omnipotent as they claim, & also omniscient too, then how exactly would humanity ever have the capacity to grow & evolve beyond them... beyond that?

They don't have a... right... to judge us. They're just currently the big kid on the block & having some deeper connection to the universe, they can sort of see the writing on the wall where we're concerned, & are in a quandary as to whether they can justify wiping us from existence to maintain their foothold on supremacy (Which I figure they have the ability to do)

In the Bible God is omniscient yet he tests and puts people on trial continuously.

 

[Kobayshi Maru]

Maybe the focus on humanity by the Q is due to the far reaching potential and influence of humans and their joint enterprise of a united federation of races. It reminds me of a schoolteacher coming down harder on a student who shows the most promise and application while letting the wilful underachievers to their own devices and destinies.

I think it's Picard. Q has a Picard fixation, that much is obvious.

 

[Orphalesion]

I think it's Picard. Q has a Picard fixation, that much is obvious.

Q/Picard OTP.

 

[bbjeg]

^And Janeway. He wanted to have a kid with her. He only slept with Picard.

 

[Mojochi]

In the Bible God is omniscient yet he tests and puts people on trial continuously.

Yeah? Probably not a good idea for me to begin commenting here on how much sense I think the Bible makes. I will say this though. The God tests generally aren't about determining an outcome, like a quiz. They're not court type trials. They' re tribulation kinds, where faith, loyalty, & honor, etc... are tested

We wanted to see if you had the ability to expand your mind and your horizons... and for one brief moment, you did.

The Q test was like a higher cognitive quiz, to see if we got what it takes. If they are all knowing, with a mastery of space & time such that they can literally watch the birth of humanity, then they would have full knowledge of our future too, which it seems they don't. He uses words like maybe or perhaps. To their knowledge, it's up in the air still, thus an ongoing trial to make sure we're OK to have out there evolving into something that might someday surpass them

 

[Kobayshi Maru]

^And Janeway. He wanted to have a kid with her. He only sept with Picard.

I think it was an artifice not to show us Picard with that pretty young thing in a bed together while suggesting that he did and it didn't hurt that it was funny to boot.