Did the BS fight scenes in Way of the Warrior slightly tarnish the ep?

[Anwar]

Re: Did the BS fight scenes in Way of the Warrior slightly tarnish the

It's the Law of the Conservation of Ninjutsu, one Klingon (or Ninja) is nigh unstoppable, but a bunch of Klingons is doomed.

Even a single one will lose out sometimes: Picard took out two Klingon assassins sent after him in "Sins of the Father".

 

[TiberiusMaximus]

Re: Did the BS fight scenes in Way of the Warrior slightly tarnish the

It's the Law of the Conservation of Ninjutsu, one Klingon (or Ninja) is nigh unstoppable, but a bunch of Klingons is doomed.

Even a single one will lose out sometimes: Picard took out two Klingon assassins sent after him in "Sins of the Father".

You, sir, have a point. Klingons are quite adamant about being great warriors, but they're not always that great.

 

[robtclements]

Re: Did the BS fight scenes in Way of the Warrior slightly tarnish the

If they'd changed the fight scenes, we might have lost a classic DS9 moment: Dukat (with bat'leth) & Garak bickering with each while they are supposed to be fighting Klingons. You don't mess with perfection

 

[Saquist]

Re: Did the BS fight scenes in Way of the Warrior slightly tarnish the

ok then, as someone who's gay i'm continualy offended by 'gay' being used in that way and i won't stop feeling insulted anytime soon.

I realize that people feel that way but among heterosexuals that's a pretty common phrase among MEN. There is a reason why people say either gay or STRAIGHT and the connotation is never positive.

Anyhoo...
I think the whole issue with the hand to hand fighting in the episode is really silly. Fine...it's bad fighting for klingons but you might as well take issue with "Kirk-jutsu" and all the other standard TV fighting styles. If that ruined the episode then I just don't think one was paying attention to the right action.

 

[Avon]

Re: Did the BS fight scenes in Way of the Warrior slightly tarnish the

So everytime someone says gay it's negative? well, that's clearly not true.

on topic:
If the klingons had been competent fighters and slaughtered everyone, ds9 would have been a much shorter show.

 

[DS9 Gal AZ]

Re: Did the BS fight scenes in Way of the Warrior slightly tarnish the

I think maybe the Klingons just indulged in too much pre-celebratory blood wine before they started figthing, I think that's what it is. :P

 

[TiberiusMaximus]

Re: Did the BS fight scenes in Way of the Warrior slightly tarnish the

If the klingons had been competent fighters and slaughtered everyone, ds9 would have been a much shorter show.

I suppose it would. I can see the conversation now...

Federation President: What's Deep Space Nine's status?

High-Ranking Admiral: The Klingons won. Everybody's dead.

Federation President: Oh.

ROLL CREDITS

 

[Listener4]

Re: Did the BS fight scenes in Way of the Warrior slightly tarnish the

The hand to hand fights are a bit unrealistic, but not really any worse than is normal for Trek. A great episode overall.

 

[Myasishchev]

Re: Did the BS fight scenes in Way of the Warrior slightly tarnish the

I think Way of the Warrior ranks as arguably the best ever Klingon episode in all of Trek (alongside Sins of the Father, or maybe Rightful Heir), and amongst the top 5/10 of DS9 episodes.

But the fight scenes were really gay lol. I mean, we know Sisko is a badass and takes no quarter from anybody. But where did he learn to fight with a bat'leth? Unless Curzon taught him, I guess. and how come Jadzia can kill Klingons by tripping them up?

What is worse is that Klingons are warriors, and all those who serve on Klingon starships are members of the warrior caste (including Worf's family, and Martok, who earnt a place in the warrior caste). So if they're warriors by nature, surely any Klingon can beat the hell of out a Starfleet officer, who only truly learns to fight at the Academy?

So, a great episode, but poor fight scenes.

Boarding actions are always kind of stupid. I mean, if you can transport a hundred Klingons, you can transport a cloud of phosgene.

So yeah, it detracts a bit, although what the hell, they needed something for the actors to do other than push fake buttons and shout meaningless numbers at each other for ten minutes.

 

[neogothboy74]

Re: Did the BS fight scenes in Way of the Warrior slightly tarnish the

But the fight scenes were really gay lol.

I'm gay. I'll never get used to coming into a thread online and seeing that word used that way. It will always be offensive that someone uses a word that describes my identity to denote that something is stupid or wrong. Thanks, ever so much for making me feel welcome.

 

[Nightdiamond]

Re: Did the BS fight scenes in Way of the Warrior slightly tarnish the

There's a fight scene in Ops, with Dax in the background fighting a Klingon.

She blocks a blow with her Bat'leth, and then simply kicks him in the midsection.

He goes down and doesn't get back up and Dax turns her back to face the rest of the crew.

Not as easy to notice, but that looked too convenient.

It's the same with the scene with Dukat and Garak fighting the Klingons in the hallway.

Dukat is fending off two Klingons at a time (with a Bat'leth and successfully), while Garak is about 6 feet in front of them with his back turned to him.

I think the scene with Kira getting stabbed and still taking out the Klingon who did it, still looks cool, lol.

 

[Danoz]

Re: Did the BS fight scenes in Way of the Warrior slightly tarnish the

Unfortunately, DS9 suffered from some very poor fight choreography. The fights often seemed very staged and were unimaginative. Generally the fights boiled down to the bad guys standing in one place and jumping as the heros would pretend to hit them.

This. Big problem in Trek. Often times writers would literally put [fight scene here] in the drafts-- so these kinds of action scenes rarely connected to the story. There are definitely exceptions (particularly in the Siege episode and pretty much anything with Worf).

 

[TheLobes]

Re: Did the BS fight scenes in Way of the Warrior slightly tarnish the

I think one of the biggest problems with modern trek was the Klingons. I kind of think DS9 and TNG (to a lesser extent) did to the Klingons pretty much what Voyager did to the Borg, they took an interesting idea for an enemy race, then just kept adding bits, and changing it, and using that race far to much. Eventually they just became borish charicatures, spouting endlessly the word 'honour' or the phrase 'Resistance is Futile'. Every time I hear Worf or Seven say those things I wince. The same thing happened with Vulcans. In TOS Spock seemed actually kind of normal, just kind of a very strict human, it was obvious that he had emotions, but he obviously controlled them. By the time of DS9 and Voyager Vulcans were just like these robot people who had no idea how to form a sentence without using the word 'logical'.

Really the Jem Hadar are just as stupid. They're basically as tough as Klingons, but they always get their arses handed to them by Sisko, and theyre supposed to be loyal and all, but we constantly see them disobey orders. The difference is that they were at least used sparingly and werent constantly retouched by subsequent series.

This is why Im always bothered when reading ideas on this forum for a new series, because someone inevitably mentions doing it on a Klingon ship or something. If we ever get a new Trek series, they're going to have to start pretty much from the drawing board in terms of new races.

 

[DarKush]

Re: Did the BS fight scenes in Way of the Warrior slightly tarnish the

Unfortunately, DS9 suffered from some very poor fight choreography. The fights often seemed very staged and were unimaginative. Generally the fights boiled down to the bad guys standing in one place and jumping as the heros would pretend to hit them.

For WotW I agree with this. When I first watched it I thought it was cool. I had never seen anything like it, a full on Klingon assault. But once I rewatched it, and everytime since, its pretty lame. I wish the fight had been more vicious, brutal, and the Klingons hadn't made themselves sitting ducks for the most part.

 

[indolover]

Re: Did the BS fight scenes in Way of the Warrior slightly tarnish the

But the fight scenes were really gay lol.

I'm gay. I'll never get used to coming into a thread online and seeing that word used that way. It will always be offensive that someone uses a word that describes my identity to denote that something is stupid or wrong. Thanks, ever so much for making me feel welcome.

I meant the term gay as in silly, and I did not mean to offend.

 

[indolover]

Re: Did the BS fight scenes in Way of the Warrior slightly tarnish the

So everytime someone says gay it's negative? well, that's clearly not true.

on topic:
If the klingons had been competent fighters and slaughtered everyone, ds9 would have been a much shorter show.

True. All I am saying is that the fight scenes should be more realistic.

The only realistic part of the entire scene was Worf killing the other Klingons in Ops. After all, he is a Klingon warrior.

 

[TheLobes]

Re: Did the BS fight scenes in Way of the Warrior slightly tarnish the

Some people are offended by the term 'gay' used to denote something silly, some people arent. Some gay people dont mind, some gay people hate it. Its not like the term 'straight' is without its negative connatations. Lets move on, the OP obviously didnt mean to offend.

 

[DS9 Gal AZ]

Re: Did the BS fight scenes in Way of the Warrior slightly tarnish the

I will move on as soon as the OP realizes using the word gay to mean "silly, stupid or lame" is offensive. Period. I appreciate that the OP meant no offense, but people need to realize using "gay" to describe something negatively is not okay. I don't think that's so much to ask.

Anyway, back to the Klingons ... I never noticed the fight scenes being badly choreographed. I noticed bad fight scenes on TOS, when you could clearly see the stunt doubles and not the actors, but that's another story ...

 

[Nero's Shadow]

Re: Did the BS fight scenes in Way of the Warrior slightly tarnish the

I have to say this is one of the best star trek stories ever told the fight/battle scenes are very well done. You have to remember when your fighting for your life you use every way and means to stay alive. After the fight in ops there were plenty starfleet and Klingons lying round dead or injured. Also DS9 was doing quite well against the Klingon fleet I think that she could have lasted much longer in the fight leaving the starfleet task force to out flank the Klingons possibly even splitting there forces into two groups.

And the Klingons took advantage of the retreat as they moved and dug in the cardassian space .?

 

[Cyke101]

Re: Did the BS fight scenes in Way of the Warrior slightly tarnish the

^It certainly didn't look like our heroes were fighting for their lives. It looked like they were fighting because they rehearsed it a couple minutes before. Granted, DS9 is supposed to be more of a family show so graphic violence will be immensely low, but compare it to a show like 24, LOST, or even the Hayes Vs. Reed fight in Enterprise (where they *weren't* fighting to kill, just vent on each other), and suddenly the fight scenes here and in most other Trek are downright pedestrian.