Can't you say the say thing if it doesn't meet your expectations?
Did STID Meet Your Standards as a Trek Film?
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You could. But, if your expectations are that the movie will be terrible, and it is, than the movie met your expectations. Standards are a little different because they usually imply what you like vs. what you don't like.
In no way does the previous sentence imply they were.
It met and surpassed my standards/expectations.
As another poster mentioned earlier. For me in combined just about everything I like about Trek and fused it into one film.
As another poster mentioned earlier. For me in combined just about everything I like about Trek and fused it into one film.
Oh there's plenty about it that disappointed me, but "Star Trek Film" includes such turds as The Final Frontier, Insurrection, and Nemesis.
This falsely assumes that "real" Star Trek is not disappointing in any way.
I voted yes. I didn't think STID was great, but it was Star Trek.
But, if you didn't like those films then they did not meet your standards.
Not one viewer in ten thousand has "standards" for entertainment. "Standard" is a word that actually means something. Most folk like or dislike certain kinds of things, and many are quick to offer opinions - but that's a very different thing than judging against a standard.
I'm not buying that. People have individual standards for things they like or dislike even in entertainment. If you had no standards, that means you would like everything.
Star Trek, like any other form of entertainment, has only one requirement to meet with me: Entertain me.
STID did this in spades, just like The Wrath of Khan back in '82. Isn't it so nice that I can say that I enjoyed STID as much as I enjoyed TWOK? Isn't it just so cool that I can mention STID favorably in the same sentence as TWOK?
I mean, I'm loving this! It's so liberating to be able to say that I enjoyed Star Trek Into Darkness, because I did.
Because I am welcome to enjoy Star Trek Into Darkness.
STID did this in spades, just like The Wrath of Khan back in '82. Isn't it so nice that I can say that I enjoyed STID as much as I enjoyed TWOK? Isn't it just so cool that I can mention STID favorably in the same sentence as TWOK?
I mean, I'm loving this! It's so liberating to be able to say that I enjoyed Star Trek Into Darkness, because I did.
Because I am welcome to enjoy Star Trek Into Darkness.
About 4:1, just like every other poll. Wording doesn't matter. We're not getting sudden influxes of new Trekkies (the movies aren't going to do that), nor are we getting waves of people who hate them (it's been 2 years, they're not just now going to come here, sign up, and start trashing).
You're not going to get what you want on this board: I'd suggest asking this at some other board where the people aren't so loving of both movies.
For the record, I loved both movies, and thought that STID nailed it with the working of 9/11 into its story.
I wonder if the 9/11 elements have something to do with the rather loud backlash against Star Trek Into Darkness? For a long time, I've seen the Berman years as carrying a rather conservative philosophy and I believe many conservatives came to embrace Star Trek during those years.
Now they see something they've adopted as their own, ask some rather uncomfortable questions.
Even allowing for me disliking trek 09, and hating the overtly military starfleet complete with evil empire uniforms on mickey smith, I was enjoying ID and it looked like it was doing something new and interesting....and then, particularly sadly given recent events, the film just goes horribly wrong around the time Spock Prime appears. After that, all charcter development is thrown out the window, bits of the original trek films are scrapbooked in painfully and verbatim, and the whole emotional core of the film is destroyed as it is made dependent on a relationship between characters than literally occured from a narrative perspective in a different universe. It then has the magic blood happen, and its journey from promising new concept to truly bad writing isncomplete.
Shame.
Imagine a Khan who is on the side of the angels, and the reboot genuinely trying something different with otherwise familiar characters. Or watch this mash up that is written more like a stereotypical fan film than the fan films are these days.
A missed opportunity that for me and a few friends and family pushed us firmly away from NuTrek.
Shame.
Imagine a Khan who is on the side of the angels, and the reboot genuinely trying something different with otherwise familiar characters. Or watch this mash up that is written more like a stereotypical fan film than the fan films are these days.
A missed opportunity that for me and a few friends and family pushed us firmly away from NuTrek.
^I had no idea that the neocons were that much into Star Trek, seeing as it was quite 'liberal' and all that.
Your arrow is pointing above me i presume. Lol.
I don't think the abrams films were particularly liberal at all, but american political viewpoints are not those I am familiar with.
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I loved the movie, and yes, it met my standards for what constitutes a "Star Trek" movie. I also thoroughly enjoyed ST09 as well, also a Star Trek movie.
