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Did Starfleet build warships?

Defiant aside, did Starfleet build warships?

  • Definitely yes.

    Votes: 46 55.4%
  • Probably yes.

    Votes: 25 30.1%
  • Probably not.

    Votes: 9 10.8%
  • Definitely not.

    Votes: 3 3.6%

  • Total voters
    83
Personally, I've always thought that Starfleet built explorers with teeth - i.e, their primary mission was to explore, but they were also heavily armed enough to be a match for comparably-sized vessels (with the exception of dedicated science vessels like the Oberth-class). I don't think Starfleet would officially classify any of their ships as warships - even the Defiant is officially classed as an "escort" because, as Kira says in 'The Search' - Starfleet doesn't believe in warships. It's possible the Dominion war, and the recomissioning of the Defiant class into production has changed things, however I can see Starfleet wanting to get back to their exploratory roots following the Dominion war - such as in the Titan novels etc

Agreed. I do think that perhaps there are a handful of designs, like the dreadnoughts and the Defiant, which might be considered to be true dedicated warships. But many of the sources I've read which have included such vessels have described them as being a minority of vessels, given the increased resource costs and the fact that they tend to be less suitable for more traditional roles like exploration. I think the majority of designs we see are multipurpose, as is probably true of many alien ships as well.

Although they can double up for scientific missions, The Constitution and Excelsior-class must have been considered primarily warships as in Star Trek VI: The Undiscovered Country when they are discussing peace with the Klingons, one officer asks "are we talking about mothballing the fleet?"

The Excelsior was considered a battleship in the FASA RPG, and I think it could have easily been built as such initially and then perhaps downgraded to a heavy cruiser, as it's referred to in other sources. It was intended initially to be able to face threats from the Klingons and Romulans in the movie era.
 
Personally, I've always thought that Starfleet built explorers with teeth - i.e, their primary mission was to explore, but they were also heavily armed enough to be a match for comparably-sized vessels (with the exception of dedicated science vessels like the Oberth-class). I don't think Starfleet would officially classify any of their ships as warships - even the Defiant is officially classed as an "escort" because, as Kira says in 'The Search' - Starfleet doesn't believe in warships. It's possible the Dominion war, and the recomissioning of the Defiant class into production has changed things, however I can see Starfleet wanting to get back to their exploratory roots following the Dominion war - such as in the Titan novels etc

Agreed. I do think that perhaps there are a handful of designs, like the dreadnoughts and the Defiant, which might be considered to be true dedicated warships. But many of the sources I've read which have included such vessels have described them as being a minority of vessels, given the increased resource costs and the fact that they tend to be less suitable for more traditional roles like exploration. I think the majority of designs we see are multipurpose, as is probably true of many alien ships as well.

Although they can double up for scientific missions, The Constitution and Excelsior-class must have been considered primarily warships as in Star Trek VI: The Undiscovered Country when they are discussing peace with the Klingons, one officer asks "are we talking about mothballing the fleet?"

The Excelsior was considered a battleship in the FASA RPG, and I think it could have easily been built as such initially and then perhaps downgraded to a heavy cruiser, as it's referred to in other sources. It was intended initially to be able to face threats from the Klingons and Romulans in the movie era.

The reasons you outline, Unicron, are basically the ones I was thinking of that would lead Starfleet to have Explorer=Battleship in war. I don't imagine Starfleet having more than maybe twenty battleships and dreadnoughts prior to TUC, and then all of those being scrapped immediately afterward. Then, Starfleet would chose to decommission the Constitution class to replace it with the Excelsior class, because ship for ship the Excelsior was more powerful. I was thinking Excelsior would be the first 'accidental' implementation of the explorer/battleship, and then Ambassador would be the first practice attempt, and Galaxy and then Sovereign the real success at this.
 
I'd like to think Starfleet wouldn't be quite so quick to decommission large groups of designs that readily, even if it no longer produces them. If they're still using Excelsiors and Mirandas effectively nearly a century after those designs were considered reasonably new, it stands to reason that there would still be Constellations, etc. in service as well. It's very difficult to judge how long an average design life span is, but unless it has a glaring design problem, I see no problem with it lasting that long.
 
My thought is that it would be part of a mutual disarmament, and that they were already a waste of resources to start with.
 
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