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Did Spock purposely send himself back in time?

No, since Nero didn't get the red matter until he captured Spock Prime's ship, which was after the escape from Rura Penthe. He'd already destroyed the 47 warbirds by then.

We see the red matter is kept on the Jellyfish the whole time. It couldn't have "powered" the Nerada at all.

If Nero used red matter on the Federation fleet, there wouldn't be a huge debris field when Enterprise arrived - it would have all been sucked up into a black hole.
 
There's nothing in the movie to indicate "an escape from Rura Penthe". And Nero is shown capturing Spock and his red matter before we learn of the big fight against Klingons. It would be perfectly possible for Nero to use red matter against the 47 Klingon ships, then.

We know what red matter does when released in essentially empty space: it creates a black hole -like thing that destroys starships and then disappears without a trace. Or at least Starfleet never got a chance to inspect the quasi-singularity created by Nero's original arrival, suggesting it did disappear. The thing that ate Vulcan was shown to disappear, too.

Whether anti-starship use of such a weapon would leave debris or not is unknown, because we only saw it used against a starship once. In that usage, all of the red matter was used at once, and we didn't linger to see the aftermath close up. Instead, we got some fireworks with warp cores.

Timo Saloniemi
 
One drop of red matter absorbed the whole of Vulcan, leaving no debris. To say a comparitively microscopic ship would simply be blown up is ludicrous.

We hear about the fight with 47 Klingon ships at "a Klingon prison planet" in Uhura and Gaila's dorm, before the Enterprise even launches. We hear about the lightning storm indicating Spock's arrival later (with the Kobayashi Maru test and hearing inbetween) as part of the mission briefing en route to Vulcan.
 
To be sure, we don't know if red matter leaves behind a black hole for any length of time. Perhaps the trans-reality corridor goes poof very quickly, leaving nothing to see? (A black hole would glow rather brightly if it had the dust of a solar system and whatever remained of the former planet to suck in...)

In any case, we see Spock's capture long before we hear any Starfleet reports about either Klingons or spatial thuderstorms. When we do hear such reports, we also hear that "Spock's storm" was observed at 2200 hours, whereas the Klingon battle was at 2300 hours - so writer intent here seems to have been that the battle was not about Nero breaking out of jail. Either the jail angle had been completely dropped (save for the mention of "prison planet"), or then Nero first broke out, then got himself some red matter, and then immediately returned to avenge his imprisonment, possibly with help of said red matter.

We can speculate about the spatial coordinates of the events - perhaps both Nero and Spock emerged at the exact same spot, next to the Klingon Neutral Zone, perhaps at different coordinates (which would require the mentioned calculating). But the temporal coordinates are pretty clear: Spock arrives, Nero gets red matter, Nero fights Klingons, Nero goes to Vulcan, Vulcan starts shaking, Starfleet is alerted, Nero starts drilling (curiously only after the shaking started!), our heroes discuss all these events en route, Starfleet arrives and is eliminated, heroes arrive.

Timo Saloniemi
 
And the movie does not at all indicate he did (or even needed) to upgrade his ship. Actually the movie makes it clear the Narada's strength is a matter her being from the far future and a mining ship meant to crack into planets. Which I like far better than any Borg tech.

Heartily seconded - although I don't quite see how the movie "makes it clear".

One thing left unclear is how much of Nero's power stems from his possession of red matter. His ship seems slow and weak in many ways, incapable of opposing two vessels (Spock's and Kirk's) in the end, even though the same ship dealt with 47 enemies on one occasion and at least seven or eight in another. Would the difference lie in Nero having time to use a bit of red matter in his fights against the Klingons and the Starfleet task force?

Timo Saloniemi

I always took Nero's lecture to Pike while he had him to be the explanation. His point in saying "This is a simple mining ship" as by that point we know its from the future we as the audience are supposed to surmise its "future-ness" and large size is why its so hard to beat.

The red matter is never depicted doing anything but making wormholes/blackholes. I don't think it had much do with the Narada taking out those vessels. Just being large and from the future and armed with alot of mining torpedoes.
 
One has to wonder why Spock just doesn't do the slingshot-around-the-sun trick back to the 24th century. He could then reset the timline by preventing the bald guy from going back in time in the first place.

And another thing...where in the timeline did Nero pop out after the second black hole gobbled him up? Could be he found Captain Archer and mucked him up too.

And just when did Vulcan pop out of the timeline?
 
The 24th century Spock would travel forward to wouldn't be the one Nero and he left - it would be the future of the alternate 2258 where Vulcan was destroyed and Amanda killed. With 129 years foreknowledge of the supernova, it's possible things will turn out very differently this time and alternate Nero, his wife and child may all live happily ever after on some planet the Romulans all evacuate to.

It's not a time loop where everything was "meant to happen all along" it's a change. A new future.
 
Assuming all the timelines branch off from one original, that might actually work - but in going back wouldn't Spock just create another new branch of the timeline? Since we know he doesn't go back to the future with the Enterprise-E crew, it would rewrite everything from First Contact's future bits onwards. There would also still be two Spocks buzzing about in the same timeframe.

I say he should go back to 1986 and catch up with ShatnerKirk! Or, even better, visit Carpenter street in 2002 and let Daniels' magic put him where and when he's supposed to be. If Daniels can move the entire NX-01 to an alternate WWII, putting one displaced Vulcan in the right timeline and place shouldn't be a problem.
 
How do we know he couldn't go back? He's smarter than pretty much anyone else, he's from their future. Granted, not that far into the future but still. Who's to say he couldn't figure out a way to beam on board without them knowing and get off the same way. The Ent crew wouldn't know a thing. Besides, we know now that there's ways to travel in time that don't branch off to another universe. It would work exactly as the writer would say it would work.
 
Hmm...I dk. But for some reason I had a bad feeling about him. I know he is Spock and everything but, I just dont like him. I dont really know why.
 
Besides, we know now that there's ways to travel in time that don't branch off to another universe. It would work exactly as the writer would say it would work.

You have lost me there. Which ways are those again? I was under the impression that if you accept nuTrekPhysics, whenever more that one thing can occur, each of them will, with each creating its own universe. Time travel being a "thing".

Granted this doesn't seem to agree with past ST time travel methods but doesn't new canon replace old canon?
 
I'm reading the old DS9 Millenium trilogy at the moment, and one of the things I like about it is that the crew aren't entirely sure about whether time travel creates alternate universes or not. They're fairly certain it does, and have this vague theory about exactly following your own slingshot trajectory to time-travel inside you own universe, but there's always an undercurrent of doubt. The best evidence they've got either way is 23rd century Klingon assault groups sent back in time via slingshot to conquer Earth in the past - the Klingon ships disappeared and were never heard from again. It's possible something went wrong and they were destroyed, or something went wrong in the past before they could carry out their mission, but it's also possible they successfully went back and changed history, but created an alternate reality where Klingons conquered Earth centuries ago instead of altering the timeline they left.
 
Besides, we know now that there's ways to travel in time that don't branch off to another universe. It would work exactly as the writer would say it would work.

You have lost me there. Which ways are those again? I was under the impression that if you accept nuTrekPhysics, whenever more that one thing can occur, each of them will, with each creating its own universe. Time travel being a "thing".

Granted this doesn't seem to agree with past ST time travel methods but doesn't new canon replace old canon?

Why does it have to replace it? Can't there be multiple methods of time travel along with multiple effects? Sometimes you change the future, sometimes you don't.
 
Why does it have to replace it? Can't there be multiple methods of time travel along with multiple effects? Sometimes you change the future, sometimes you don't.

Branching would seem to be the default reaction of a universe to events like time travel where you have at lease two possible outcomes. The difficulty would seem to be coming up with a way of preventing such behaviour, assuming something that basic to the universe could be prevented. That's what seems reasonable to me but I guess STXI doesn’t exactly confirm that and there isn't much likelihood we will find out in the next two movies.

It's just your statement made it seem non-branching methods of time travel have been confirmed and I think that's unclear.


Yeah, what's your opinion on different transporting? You know instead of beaming. Well other then ships etc.

Not sure that question is aimed at me, or what you have in mind, but branching would seem so fundamental it will be happening all the time and arriving in the past or future, by whatever method, will just be one of many triggers.
 
Why does it have to replace it? Can't there be multiple methods of time travel along with multiple effects? Sometimes you change the future, sometimes you don't.

Branching would seem to be the default reaction of a universe to events like time travel where you have at lease two possible outcomes. The difficulty would seem to be coming up with a way of preventing such behaviour, assuming something that basic to the universe could be prevented. That's what seems reasonable to me but I guess STXI doesn’t exactly confirm that and there isn't much likelihood we will find out in the next two movies.

It's just your statement made it seem non-branching methods of time travel have been confirmed and I think that's unclear.

In previous time travel episodes out heroes return to the same universe they left. In First Contact, the present changes due to the changes in the past. The Enterprise hadn't gone anywhere yet they saw the change on Earth. Once they went back and returned, the present was restored. They didn't return to the present where the Borg had taken over Earth. If the Borg going back in time had really created a new branch, the Enterprise would never have known it.
 
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