Did Nog Become a Federation Citizen?

[happydave]

How come they let so many Bajorans into Starfleet prior to the end of the occupation?

Ro Laren had a long history of insubordination and problems with authority. Who in Starfleet would have provided sponsorship?

I like the idea that enrollement is open as opposed to the patron requirement.

I think enrolment is open... for federation member races. Though I can see how a letter of recommendation would help someone get into Starfleet (like getting into a university/college).

As for Ro, well Picard sponsored Mackenzie Calhoun even though he was a warlord of his people. So it's feasible someone saw potential. Plus I guess people would be see some people who were 'rough around the edges' as they've lived through some real hardships.

 

[Sci]

I think enrolment is open... for federation member races.

I don't think it's a matter of being the right species. If you're a Human who comes from a planet of Human colonists who declared independence from the UFP 100 years ago, for instance, I doubt you're eligible to enlist in Starfleet without a command-level officer to sponsor you, because you'd still be a foreign citizen even if you belong to a species the majority of whose members are Federation citizens.

 

[Vulcan Princess]

Here's something I just thought of....

Would Nog have triple citizenship? He could have Ferengi citizenship by birth, Federation citizenship by choice, and Bajoran citizenship since his father married a Bajoran citizen.

There's no reason to believe that Rom received citizenship, let alone his non-dependant adult son.

I agree that Nog probably didn't get Bajoran citizenship, but I think it's likely that Rom did. Rom was a member of the Bajoran Militia before becoming the Nagus.

 

[Sci]

Here's something I just thought of....

Would Nog have triple citizenship? He could have Ferengi citizenship by birth, Federation citizenship by choice, and Bajoran citizenship since his father married a Bajoran citizen.

There's no reason to believe that Rom received citizenship, let alone his non-dependant adult son.

I agree that Nog probably didn't get Bajoran citizenship, but I think it's likely that Rom did. Rom was a member of the Bajoran Militia before becoming the Nagus.

If one Ferengi citizen can serve in the Federation Starfleet without becoming a Federation citizen, is there any particular reason that another Ferengi citizen can't have served in the Bajoran Militia becoming a Bajoran citizen?

 

[AdmiralGarak]

There's no reason to believe that Rom received citizenship, let alone his non-dependant adult son.

I agree that Nog probably didn't get Bajoran citizenship, but I think it's likely that Rom did. Rom was a member of the Bajoran Militia before becoming the Nagus.

If one Ferengi citizen can serve in the Federation Starfleet without becoming a Federation citizen, is there any particular reason that another Ferengi citizen can't have served in the Bajoran Militia becoming a Bajoran citizen?

Means of aquiring citizenship depends on indivdual countries' laws, but it's not something typically awarded easilly.

Examples:
My Chinese sister (technically, a former exchange student) married a US Coast Guard pilot. She wasn't awarded citizenship. It was several years before she got her citizenship, and she had to take a citizenship test. (Their kids have dual citizenship by birth.)

In Japan, adults may only have one citizenship. If you want to become a Japanese citizen, you must renounce your existing citizenship. Children can retain dual citizenship until adulthood.



If I had to guess, I would say that basic Federation citizenship would be pretty easy to obtain. An oath of loyalty, a test of some sort, a background check, and you're all set. Bajorans are probably a bit more wary in this regard, considering they were emerging from 60 years of foreign enslavement.

 

[Timo]

I'd prefer to agree with all of the above, unless future Trek facts contradict it.

This still leaves the question, however, of whether Starfleet allows non-citizens to serve. Probably it could, with proper background checks; OTOH, it would probably wish to grant citizenship anyway, because that would be helpful for the serviceman and Starfleet are the good guys, always willing to help. But we have no good examples of this because we weren't told of Nog's or Worf's status changes or of their native cultures' attitudes towards this sort of thing.

Timo Saloniemi

 

[Admiral Shran]

I think Rom definitely gained Bajoran citizenship through his marriage. At one point, when the Dominion was set to execute him, Kira told Weyoun that they shouldn't because Leeta was a Bajoran citizen.

After the Occupation, I doubt the Bajoran government would go up against a threat like the Dominion for a non-citizen.

 

[Timo]

Shouldn't Kira have argued outright that Nog was a Bajoran citizen, if the intent was to protect him from execution? Why be circumspect about it?

Timo Saloniemi

 

[Timelord79 (he/him)]

What about this chain of events?

Rom is a Ferengi citizen. Rom marries a Bajoran. Rom becomes therefore a Bajoran citizen. Rom becomes Grand Nagus/ Head of the Ferengi state. Bajor becomes Federation Member world. Rom becomes automatically a Federation citizin. The Ruler of all Ferengi is a Federation citizen.

 

[Timo]

Rom marries a Bajoran. Rom becomes therefore a Bajoran citizen.

As a first approximation, I'd think Leeta became a Ferengi citizen instead... Or Ferengi chattel, or whatnot. The opposite would probably be too much of a breach of tradition even for Rom!

Timo Saloniemi

 

[Timelord79 (he/him)]

Well, I'd think both is probably true. Both of them get double citizenship.

 

[Kira Nerys]

If I remeber correctly Nog needed a sponsor ,you don't have to become a citizen to the best of my memory.

 

[Sci]

What about this chain of events?

Rom is a Ferengi citizen. Rom marries a Bajoran. Rom becomes therefore a Bajoran citizen. Rom becomes Grand Nagus/ Head of the Ferengi state. Bajor becomes Federation Member world. Rom becomes automatically a Federation citizin. The Ruler of all Ferengi is a Federation citizen.

It's possible, but I doubt that Rom would have become a Bajoran citizen in the amount of time we saw. In real life, marriages do not instantly confer citizenship rights to resident aliens -- it merely reduces the waiting time. Rom and Leeta were married for two years before he became Grand Nagus; I doubt he would have become a Bajoran citizen in that short an amount of time.

Naturalization processes also usually require the person gaining citizenship to renounce their original citizenship; I doubt Rom could have become Grand Nagus if he had previously renounced his Ferengi citizenship.

 

[Nerys Ghemor]

The renunciation of citizenship from the home country--isn't that only required by some countries? I know the US requires it (I don't believe we honor dual citizenship), but aren't some other nations more lax in that regard?

 

[Thor Damar]

I know that we (the Brits) do have dual citizenship with both our fellow Commonwealth nations and the rest of the EU.
(as far as I'm aware)

Should not the UFP have a similar system after all it is an alliance of 150 planets/member states?

 

[Sci]

I know that we (the Brits) do have dual citizenship with both our fellow Commonwealth nations and the rest of the EU.
(as far as I'm aware)

Should not the UFP have a similar system after all it is an alliance of 150 planets/member states?

Well, the UFP isn't really an alliance -- it's a state in its own right, albeit a federal one. So certainly one can have Federation citizenship while also possessing citizenship for whichever Federation world you're from or live on.

The questions are, does Bajor, pre-Federation Membership, require renunciation of previous citizenships when naturalizing resident immigrants, and does the Federation allow dual citizenship with non-Federation states?

 

[Evil Ezri]

It never is explictly stated whether the Trill are Federation members or not. Though the implications are heavily in favor of it (the Federation has great knowledge of the Trill, numerous Trill serve in Starfleet, and Curzon Dax was an ultra-high ranking Federation diplomat).

With all that, the viewers are pretty much left to assume that Jadiza and Erzi (and Perim, Curzon, and Lenara Khan for that matter) are Fed citizens.

Never thought anyone would question that Jadzia Dax and Ezri Dax were non Federation citizens. When Jadzia Dax was captured and placed on trial, did not Sisko come to represent Jadzia Dax not because she was just a Starfleet officer but as a citizen of the Federation.

 

[Timelord79 (he/him)]

The renunciation of citizenship from the home country--isn't that only required by some countries? I know the US requires it (I don't believe we honor dual citizenship), but aren't some other nations more lax in that regard?

Seriously? I remember a guy from school who had dual citizenship, German/American.
German because well his family was German and he lived his whole life here and American solely because he was born on American soil, so he gained that automatically.
At least that what he told us and I saw his passport which supported his story.

 

[Nerys Ghemor]

Germany might've allowed the dual citizenship, but technically I do not believe the US does. Whether the law is always enforced or not--that may be a different story, but on the books I do not believe the US allows it.

 

[Evil Ezri]

Germany might've allowed the dual citizenship, but technically I do not believe the US does. Whether the law is always enforced or not--that may be a different story, but on the books I do not believe the US allows it.

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