Did Nog Become a Federation Citizen?

[Mike Have-Not]

In order to join Starfleet, and become a commissioned officer, did Nog have to become a Federation citizen?

If so, it's odd that this was never mentioned. This, alone, should have given his Uncle Quark an ulcer. Ha!

 

[od0_ital]

To get into Starfleet, Nog just needed a command level officer to sponsor him, since he wasn't a Federation citizen. Sisko sponsored him, and things progressed from there.

Nog is still a Ferengi, and while Rom as Grand Nagus would help normalize the Federation/Ferengi relationship, Nog wouldn't have to be a Fed citizen to continue servin'.

 

[Admiral Shran]

As a non-Federation citizen, Nog needed to have authorization from a command level officer in order to apply to the Academy. Seeing as how the Federation is a very open society, I don't think he would have had to become a citizen of the Federation.

Worf wasn't a citizen of the Federation, being as he was born to Klingon citizens. And he was able to serve in the Klingon Defense Forces during the war. But, then again, since he was adopted by humans, this might be moot.

Nog was also able to simply set aside his duties on Deep Space Nine at one point and help rescue his grandmother from the Dominion simply because the Grand Nagus wanted it. I doubt he would have been allowed to follow the orders of a foreign head of state if he was a Federation citizen.

Garek even once feigned interest in attending the Academy. He even managed to convince Worf he was serious. I doubt Garak would ever consider being a Federation citizen since he had such a low opinion of Federation, especially Human, morals.

 

[Sci]

Worf wasn't a citizen of the Federation, being as he was born to Klingon citizens.

Actually, I'm fairly certain that Worf gained dual citizenship upon being adopted by Federates. There was never any mention of him needing a command-level sponsor to attend Starfleet Academy, he spent much of his childhood on Gault and Earth, and he then went on to serve as Federation Ambassador to the Klingon Empire -- which I'm fairly certain he couldn't do if he wasn't a Federate.

And he was able to serve in the Klingon Defense Forces during the war.

If you're talking about the Dominion War, given as how he usually still had his Starfleet uniform on, I'd assume that this is an example of Worf serving with the K.D.F. as part of an officer exchange program rather than as a Klingon soldier. Though he did serve as a Klingon Defense Force officer during the Klingon Civil War on Gowron's side.

Nog was also able to simply set aside his duties on Deep Space Nine at one point and help rescue his grandmother from the Dominion simply because the Grand Nagus wanted it. I doubt he would have been allowed to follow the orders of a foreign head of state if he was a Federation citizen.

Of course, that was also an operation being undertaken against the Dominion by a government the Federation had hoped to convince to join the Alliance, so it's entirely possible that they would have let any Starfleet officer so receiving the Grand Nagus's request serve in that operation.

 

[Admiral Shran]

Here's something I just thought of....

Would Nog have triple citizenship? He could have Ferengi citizenship by birth, Federation citizenship by choice, and Bajoran citizenship since his father married a Bajoran citizen.

 

[nx1701g]

^ Depends. Did Leeta adopt Nog?

 

[Timo]

Nog required patronage to get to Starfleet - but Kirk sort of hints that he, too, got patronized in by Ensign Mallory's father, in "The Apple". Perhaps you always need a letter of recommendation to get in?

Of course, we could argue that Kirk wasn't a Federation citizen. At least not when he joined Starfleet. After all, some of his formative years were spent on an isolated colony where a famine struck so bad that a nutcase came to power with the agenda of weeding out half the populance to feed the other half. Sounds like yer standard anti-Federation enclave. And perhaps the Kirks were citizens of that at the time.

Wesley got patronized by Picard, sort of. I wonder if Starfleet allows for "self-made men" (or women or assorted others) at all?

Timo Saloniemi

 

[Bertie]

Makes you wonder how Yar and Ezri got in.

(Of course, the political status of all those colonies gone awry has always been fuzzy.)

 

[Nerys Ghemor]

Nog required patronage to get to Starfleet - but Kirk sort of hints that he, too, got patronized in by Ensign Mallory's father, in "The Apple". Perhaps you always need a letter of recommendation to get in?

Which is kind of like how you get into West Point, right?

But here's the question. What about ROTC? That might be a different route into the service. Why didn't we hear about anything like that in the Federation? I mean, either Starfleet Academy has WAAAAAY more branch campuses than we ever heard of--heck, even on Earth--to accommodate all of the students, or they're getting some officers through other universities.

 

[RyuRoots]

Nog required patronage to get to Starfleet - but Kirk sort of hints that he, too, got patronized in by Ensign Mallory's father, in "The Apple". Perhaps you always need a letter of recommendation to get in?

Which is kind of like how you get into West Point, right?

But here's the question. What about ROTC? That might be a different route into the service. Why didn't we hear about anything like that in the Federation? I mean, either Starfleet Academy has WAAAAAY more branch campuses than we ever heard of--heck, even on Earth--to accommodate all of the students, or they're getting some officers through other universities.

There's also enlisted personnel. I imagine that there are a lot of people like Chief O'Brien and Simon Tarses out there, who chose not to go the full academy route for one reason or another.

And as far as Ezri (and Jadzia and Perim for that matter), aren't the Trill a Federation race? Or are they just on good terms with the Federation?

 

[Nerys Ghemor]

Even when you take into account that there are enlisted personnel, Starfleet seems more like the Air Force than the Army or Navy, and there are a LOT of officers, proportionally speaking (heck, it may even be a greater proportion than the Air Force). I just think that for the schooling of all of those officers, it would be VERY hard to accomplish unless you had multiple branches of the Academy (probably hundreds), or if you had an ROTC program. Just the size of one graduating class would be WAY too large for Starfleet Academy in San Francisco to accommodate.

 

[Bertie]

And as far as Ezri (and Jadzia and Perim for that matter), aren't the Trill a Federation race? Or are they just on good terms with the Federation?

She was born on New Sydney, though, but I suppose that her parents could have retained Trill citizenship which Ezri then inherited. I guess the same thing could apply to Yar; if her parents never formally renounced Federation citizenship she'd be able to claim it upon her escape.

 

[kes7]

Memory Alpha says there are Academy annexes throughout the Federation. Not everyone goes to Earth and hangs out with Boothby.

 

[Xerxes1979]

How come they let so many Bajorans into Starfleet prior to the end of the occupation?

Ro Laren had a long history of insubordination and problems with authority. Who in Starfleet would have provided sponsorship?

I like the idea that enrollement is open as opposed to the patron requirement.

 

[Admiral Shran]

And as far as Ezri (and Jadzia and Perim for that matter), aren't the Trill a Federation race? Or are they just on good terms with the Federation?

It never is explictly stated whether the Trill are Federation members or not. Though the implications are heavily in favor of it (the Federation has great knowledge of the Trill, numerous Trill serve in Starfleet, and Curzon Dax was an ultra-high ranking Federation diplomat).

With all that, the viewers are pretty much left to assume that Jadiza and Erzi (and Perim, Curzon, and Lenara Khan for that matter) are Fed citizens.

 

[Timo]

To be sure, the very definition of "Trill" is somewhat hazy in canon. Does it refer to all registered inhabitants of planet Trill, and possible colonial holdings of that planet? Or does if refer to the host species? Or to the symbionts? Or just to joined individuals?

Ro Laren had a long history of insubordination and problems with authority. Who in Starfleet would have provided sponsorship?

Anybody with an interest in populating Starfleet with the enemies of Cardassia. Which probably means, everybody with any sort of status at the time Ro came a-knocking.

I mean, who wouldn't have sponsored a defector from a Russian military academy to Annapolis during the Cold War? Or a Frenchman during WWII? There might have been reservations about his loyalty - but his immense propaganda value would have overridden those, even if the US had to assign a "guardian" to him for the remainder of his service.

Just the size of one graduating class would be WAY too large for Starfleet Academy in San Francisco to accommodate.

What do we know about the capacity of the San Francisco facility's accommodations? For all we know, the entire city is a campus area in the 24th century, with a few camp followers sprinkled here and there for local color.

Timo Saloniemi

 

[Nerys Ghemor]

Even if the entire city WERE a campus area, I'm still not sure that would be sufficient for a population the size of the Federation.

Plus, I thought that in at least one of the series, we'd seen other parts of San Francisco besides the Academy or heard references to them.

 

[RyuRoots]

Even if the entire city WERE a campus area, I'm still not sure that would be sufficient for a population the size of the Federation.

Plus, I thought that in at least one of the series, we'd seen other parts of San Francisco besides the Academy or heard references to them.

In Non Sequitur, Harry goes back to San Francisco, and there is definitely a city proper, it's not all a big campus.

 

[Sci]

And as far as Ezri (and Jadzia and Perim for that matter), aren't the Trill a Federation race? Or are they just on good terms with the Federation?

It never is explictly stated whether the Trill are Federation members or not. Though the implications are heavily in favor of it (the Federation has great knowledge of the Trill, numerous Trill serve in Starfleet, and Curzon Dax was an ultra-high ranking Federation diplomat).

With all that, the viewers are pretty much left to assume that Jadiza and Erzi (and Perim, Curzon, and Lenara Khan for that matter) are Fed citizens.

For whatever it's worth, the novels definitively portray Trill as a Federation Member State.

 

[AdmiralGarak]

Here's something I just thought of....

Would Nog have triple citizenship? He could have Ferengi citizenship by birth, Federation citizenship by choice, and Bajoran citizenship since his father married a Bajoran citizen.

There's no reason to believe that Rom received citizenship, let alone his non-dependant adult son.