Did Moriarty figure out what happened to him?

[marsh8472]

In regards to episode "Ship in a Bottle" do you think Moriarty figured out he's no longer in physical form, stored in a box, and living in a simulated world? If he did, do you think he's satisfied with that existence? Usually in episodes where someone else is put inside a holodeck without their knowledge they figured it out eventually. With the help of mobile emitter technology or at least a photogenic field generator starfleet would be more capable of giving him a more real existence if they wished.

 

[Six of Twelve]

They didn't want to give him a real existence because he was erratic and untrustworthy. He's lucky he got as much as they gave him.

Personally, if they HAD given him a real existence, I'd have laughed if the first thing he'd run into in that shuttle was a Borg cube. It would have served him right.

 

[at Quark's]

Moriarty was a clever hologram, but there were dead giveaways in his first environment. (Data calling up the arch, etc).

Presumably, there are no such screaming indicators in that box. Perhaps little flaws though, that add up over time and slowly make him suspicious. Perhaps if he then ran a series of careful experiments testing the "information resolution" of his universe or some such thing, he might have found out.

Would he be content? Don't think so. Instead of trying to leave the holodeck, he could have opted to ask Picard if there maybe was an option to be transfered to a holodeck facility where he could have a world all to his liking. He never did.

 

[DonIago]

According to the novelverse, he figures it out when the E-D crashes and their "universe" is damaged.

 

[JirinPanthosa]

He may have taken a while to figure it out but he'd eventually figure it out. No matter how good the simulation is, it has no imagination. Moriarty would eventually piece together what it means when everything he ever sees in the universe falls within the boundaries of the predictable.

I thought the reason they didn't give him a real body is that they couldn't. I think if they ever could mass-produce mobile emitters they wouldn't hold his crimes as a reason not to give him one as he is a sentient being with rights, but they would hold him legally accountable for hijacking the Enterprise.

 

[Prax]

You'd think if they can replicate puppies, they could replicate moriarty a body.

According to the novelverse, he figures it out when the E-D crashes and their "universe" is damaged.

When Picard picks up that sculpture and sorta tosses it, it should've been moriarty's box(that would've been funny)

 

[DonIago]

^When did they replicate puppies?

 

[marsh8472]

It's kinda like Voyager episode "Displaced". They were given a paradise to live in there but didn't want it.

 

[Prax]

^When did they replicate puppies?

You've never seen the replicated puppies running around the Enterprise?

I must be imagining them.

 

[JirinPanthosa]

It's kinda like Voyager episode "Displaced". They were given a paradise to live in there but didn't want it.

That was supposed to be a paradise? More like an enclosed habitat.

This comment is like saying, "What was everyone complaining about in The Matrix?!"

 

[marsh8472]

That was supposed to be a paradise? More like an enclosed habitat.

This comment is like saying, "What was everyone complaining about in The Matrix?!"

The people who put the voyager crew in there presented it like a paradise to them. Comparing that to the Enterprise Crew and Moriarty.

 

[Prax]

If we were in the Matrix, I would stay in the matrix.

 

[JirinPanthosa]

A cage is incompatible with paradise, even if the habitat is configured to make your species nice and comfy.

 

[JesterFace]

What if the box Moriarty was in was not left on the Enterprise but left to a starbase where the program would be developed so it just wouldn't stay the same repeating itself. Perhaps some starfleet personel could visit the program and throw in some plot twists. If the program evolves all the time, Moriarty might not figure out where he is. Moriarty was a sentient creature, Starfleet wouldn't just abandon him in a program.

 

[JirinPanthosa]

What if the box Moriarty was in was not left on the Enterprise but left to a starbase where the program would be developed so it just wouldn't stay the same repeating itself. Perhaps some starfleet personel could visit the program and throw in some plot twists. If the program evolves all the time, Moriarty might not figure out where he is. Moriarty was a sentient creature, Starfleet wouldn't just abandon him in a program.

Such a program could fool you or me forever, but I doubt it could fool Moriarty. Any AI good enough to sufficiently randomize a program to fool Moriarty would be...well, a program capable of defeating Moriarty, and would no doubt become sentient itself.

 

[at Quark's]

Any AI good enough to sufficiently randomize a program to fool Moriarty would be...well, a program capable of defeating Moriarty, and would no doubt become sentient itself.

By that logic, the ent-D computer would probably have to be (or become) sentient, since it was capable of creating Moriarty, who was capable of defeating Data, who is pretty clever himself.

 

[Admiral Tony]

Dunno.. But Daniel Davies's rendition is one of the best ever guest performances ever. Just the right of nice and nasty for such a fine villain. Superb actor.

 

[Mojochi]

Even if he did deduce that they'd been placed into a holocreation, which I'll admit is just as likely as not, He really has no reason to gripe, since it was ultimately the only viable option available to him, & that much had been made pretty clear to him.

The upside is he has a universe to enjoy, his significant other & the illusion of freedom. That's more than some biological beings even get. What's the downside? It's only a facsimile? Well so is he. He ought to just be thankful that his sentence in the purgatory of the ship's computer storage is over

I'd like to think he got snatched up by some Starfleet holographic researchers back at HQ or somewhere. There'd be no reason for such a unique thing to sit uselessly aboard the D, when it could be studied

 

[urbandefault]

The box was probably destroyed when the D's saucer went down. Problem solved.

 

[at Quark's]

^He and the countess might even have long been "dead" by that time already. They believed they were in the real world, had become real beings, so aging normally would have made sense to them. However, the simulation itself could have run thousands of times faster than the real universe as there was no need anymore to interface and "synchronise" with the outside universe.

 

[JesterFace]

However, the simulation itself could have run thousands of times faster than the real universe as there was no need anymore to interface and "synchronise" with the outside universe.

So Moriarty and the countess could've lived a lifetime in just few weeks, or maybe less... (?)

 

[Mojochi]

So Moriarty and the countess could've lived a lifetime in just few weeks, or maybe less... (?)

Hadn't thought about that before, but I don't see why not. It's all just bits of data now. Their remaining years together could've been computed in a matter of days or hours really, even if they had another 50 years together