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Did Janeway Kill Tuvix?

Catarina said:
If Tuvix was nothing, then why was he so afraid of his demise? Why did observe and adapt to use his gifts in unique ways? I don't think he was Tuvok and Neelix in a static noise, he became something else.
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Stockholm syndrome - people sympathise with and even romanticise their captor. The mind is a funny thing.

Now imagine how confused Tuvok and Neelix are as they scream and shout from behind a strangers eyes and try to communicate different thoughts simultaneously. Tuvix was afraid because logic dictates there is a potential risk and emotion dictates a necessary response to that risk. Once again, two minds trying without any success to communicate through one voice. As for his skills, what were they other than yet another combination of the skills of Tuvok and Neelix?
 
hux said:
Stockholm syndrome - people sympathise with and even romanticise their captor. The mind is a funny thing.

Now imagine how confused Tuvok and Neelix are as they scream and shout from behind a strangers eyes and try to communicate diffetent thought simultaneously. Tuvix was afraid because logic dictates there is a potential risk and emotion dictates a necessary response to that risk. Once again, two minds trying without any success to communicate through one voice. As for his skills, what were they other than yet another combination of the skills of Tuvok and Neelix?
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This is why I asked. Just to get another perspective. And I like yours.
 
Just to double check Tuvix's claim, they could have recreated the accident (Tuvok, Neelix, the orchid and the transporter) and produced another Tuvok/Neelix hybrid.

Would it have had the same personality as the previous Tuvix or would this Tuvix have differed slightly (enough to make the claim that it was an entirely new Tuvix... Neevok if you will) thus proving that the only things present were constant variations of Tuvok and Neelix (nothing else).
 
There was no trial to determine personhood.

Data got one and he's a fucking toaster.

Quinn's trial was determine his sanity.

Neelix was allowed to kill Michael Jonas.

Lon Suder didn't get a trial, apparently they took his word fr it about his guilt that awarded the man an 80 year long stay cation in his room, while everyone else worked their ass off.

The Equinox 5 were slaves thereafter. No trial.

Hell even the Maquis, straight out of the gate. No trial. but if it's a choice between a trial straight after Caretaker where Janeway decides that they are all guilty of terrorism, and should pay with 80 years community service, that's better than getting home, after 80 years and then being fined with 80 years community service.

Janeway is above the law. :)
 
Catarina said:
If Tuvix was nothing, then why was he so afraid of his demise? Why did observe and adapt to use his gifts in unique ways? I don't think he was Tuvok and Neelix in a static noise, he became something else.
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What about real-world multiple personality disorder? If I have existed for, say, 35 years (not my age, I'm older, just a frinstance), and after that time manifest a completely different personality who takes control, should psychiatrists work with medication and therapy to make THAT personality the controlling one, or should they do so with me, I, the one who has existed for 35 years and has multiple connections with other people? That we share a brain shouldn't make a difference--we're separate personalities, separate identities.

But we're not. The one who manifests after 35 years is an aberration to be cured.
 
Not this again!

I appreciate Janeway's dilemma, but I don't think I could have made the same call. I'm with the Doctor.
 
Tomalak said:
Not this again!

I appreciate Janeway's dilemma, but I don't think I could have made the same call. I'm with the Doctor.
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This is an ever present debate on this board, and sadly I think it's a case of both sides will have to agree to disagree.
 
I wouldn't say "sadly". It provoked good debate, and did a good job in crafting a one-shot character with whom a large part of the audience could sympathise. There's not really a "right" answer here. It's one of the more memorable Voyager episodes for me.
 
Yes but the question asked did Janeway, kill Tuvix?

For the sake of debate, you could ask did Tuvix want to steal Neelix and Tuvok's lives? An entirely different question.
 
She didn't take a life.

It looked and sounded like life but it wasn't, it just appeared that way. Same as a holo character; same as a pencil with a pair of eyes drawn on it called Keith
 
hux said:
She didn't take a life.

It looked and sounded like life but it wasn't, it just appeared that way. Same as a holo character; same as a pencil with a pair of eyes drawn on it called Keith
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Oh come on, that's not remotely analogous.
 
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