Did he realise what he was getting into?
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I don't know what I was getting into entering this thread. Then I saw... and now I'm out.
This thread delivers.
Like the carrier of a disease in the Middle Ages.
Like the carrier of a disease in the Middle Ages.
Wow. This thread is not what I was expecting at all from the title.
Fuck me your rampant sexism is appalling.
You constantly take shots at any woman on screen (and now these seemingly hypothetical ones).
Disgusting shite and should not be tolerated
He was given a Trolling warning for his statements.
Why would or should any ‘Kirk’ actor or potentially one day an actress have to worry about the role that they are getting in to for a Star Trek series any more so than the next Jane or James Bond would do for the next 007 film? Jim Kirk or Jimena Kirk… most of the world doesn’t actually care?
Remember that we all follow the most niche of pop culture sci-fi franchises, not that Disney mainstream one that the rest of the world watches.
Any actor/actress who plays Kirk these days would be overshadowed by both the shatmeister himself and Star Wars. Most people are also in to super hero franchises these days too not space ‘stuff’.
Remember that we all follow the most niche of pop culture sci-fi franchises, not that Disney mainstream one that the rest of the world watches.
Any actor/actress who plays Kirk these days would be overshadowed by both the shatmeister himself and Star Wars. Most people are also in to super hero franchises these days too not space ‘stuff’.
Not to get off on a tangent, but while I agree that Star Trek is not and will probably never be as big as the Marvel Cinematic Universe or Star Wars, I don't think Star Trek is the most niche of pop culture sci-fi franchises. I don't think Star Trek was ever the most niche (Babylon 5, anyone?), and I think it's moved much more into the mainstream since the 2009 film was released. SNW is a certified hit, and DIS is still considered one of the flagship programs of Paramount+. Star Trek stars are regularly getting featured in mainstream media publications.
Thank you. Trek stopped being "niche" decades ago. When TNG was at its peak, GEN was making world headlines for being a hit movie uniting two different generations of Trek characters in one film, VOY was launching both itself and a new broadcast network to massive headlines about sci-fi getting a female lead and FC was raking in the ticket sales as a widely-acclaimed science fiction/horror adventure there was no way Trek was a "niche" franchise. Even DS9 was getting love in the '90s even if it was the redheaded bastard stepchild of the franchise at that point in its history.
Trek's been getting progressively cooler since the 1980s. It's never been Star Wars levels of universally-accessible nor "cool" but then NO OTHER SCI-FI/FANTASY FRANCHISE HAS ATTAINED THAT.
Trek's been getting progressively cooler since the 1980s. It's never been Star Wars levels of universally-accessible nor "cool" but then NO OTHER SCI-FI/FANTASY FRANCHISE HAS ATTAINED THAT.
So I'm worried I might just come across as being really argumentative here, but, I think Star Trek might have been just a bit less mainstream than how you're framing it. I swear, I'm not saying this to just be contrarian -- I think the question of how "mainstream" Star Trek has been over time is really interesting.
I think a good way to think of it is in terms of movie budgets. GEN had a budget of $35 million, which is roughly $69.9 million today; FC had a budget of $45 million, which is $89.9 million today. Good, solid budgets for films in wide release, but still quite a bit smaller than, say, Independence Day ($75 million [$141.6 million today]) or Mission Impossible ($80 million [$151.1 million today]) or True Lies ($100-120 million [$199.9-$239.9 million today]).
That broad principle -- a solid budget but not huge, with solid but not huge expectations -- seems a good way to think of Star Trek in the 90s. It started off the 90s as the 800-lb. gorilla of syndicated drama, but its ratings went down over time and it struggled when it joined a network. I think maybe a good comparison might be shows like Arrow and its spinoffs on the CW today: not super-niche but not the most visible mainstream hits either.
Well, except maybe the MCU... which Disney also owns.
No franchise that has put 13 movies on cinema screens can be considered niche.
Trek is niche, yes people have heard of Star Trek, but apart from Mr Spock, Captain Kirk, maybe Scotty (as in 'Beam me up...Scotty') and for the saddest of reasons this week Uhura, ask the average British person to name other Trek characters and you will get a blank stare.
Sir Patrick Stewart is famous over here for that other franchise, whose name we will not mention ok?????
niche - denoting products, services, or interests that appeal to a small, specialized section of the population.
Sir Patrick Stewart is famous over here for that other franchise, whose name we will not mention ok?????
niche - denoting products, services, or interests that appeal to a small, specialized section of the population.
Well I know lots of people in real life and they are not Star Trek fans, they are Star Wars fans. This is why I come here to talk about Star Trek - if I try to talk to people about Star Trek in ‘real life’ they just kind of zone out and go in to a trance.
Even my Trek fan friends did not enjoy talking Trek like I did.Well I know lots of people in real life and they are not Star Trek fans, they are Star Wars fans. This is why I come here to talk about Star Trek - if I try to talk to people about Star Trek in ‘real life’ they just kind of zone out and go in to a trance.
Ah, yes, the wide-ranging mainstream LIFEFORCE fandom - but I give most of the credit for that to the charismatic presence of Mathilda May.
I think that I *may* have some friends in real life who are Star Trek fans, but they might pretend not to be when I am around. That’s what they used to do at school at least.
Here's the thing I have learned in my 30+ years of interacting with various fan circles-I don't do fandom normally. I have done costuming but that's a rarity. I enjoy reading books, but could not discuss them on end. I don't have a need to see every episode or memorize every ship type, though I do know many of the ships. I enjoy discussing themes, characters, and how the stories resonate, rather than tech, film language or how "outdated" things look.I think that I *may* have some friends in real life who are Star Trek fans, but they might pretend not to be when I am around. That’s what they used to do at school at least.
I'm unusual in that my personal fan interests are varied and I love talking Star Wars, Star Trek, Stargate, or even Star fish if the mood strikes me. I no longer feel the need to justify my opinion to my fan friends because I'm not like them...I'm more like Spock who exists in two worlds but never fully accepted in to either.
In my middle school it was considered uncool to like either Star Wars or Star Trek. On the one hand there were fans of superheroes and/or anime who thought the space stuff just wasn't cool, and on the other hand there were the fans of Michael Chricton novels who thought the space stuff was beneath them.
Kor
Kor
Yup. I remember the days when Star Wars was lumped in with the rest of it as nerd stuff.
I know several people who like Star Trek but they don't talk to each other about it and I have never spoken to them about it. I'm not embarrassed. I just feel like it's mine. I don't want to talk about it except on here.
I know several people who like Star Trek but they don't talk to each other about it and I have never spoken to them about it. I'm not embarrassed. I just feel like it's mine. I don't want to talk about it except on here.
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