Probably, but I'd like to think events happened in some kind of sequence starting from the first series on..... If that's not the case then continuity doesn't matter at all.
Did he or didn't he?
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Probably, but I'd like to think events happened in some kind of sequence starting from the first series on..... If that's not the case then continuity doesn't matter at all.
Predestination is not a mainstay thing in Doctor Who, unless you're dealing with Fixed points, and even then, those points get unfixed by shennigans.
Predestinaiton isn't a thing until you are told true facts about the future, and then what is to come is unavoidable, unless you want half the universe to explode and monsters start swooping and diving around, eating people.
I liked it in pyramids of Mars, where the Doctor takes Sarah-Jane to her present her they did not stop Sutek in the 1920s, and it's a sandy wasteland where she was never born, to convince her to try harder.
Predestinaiton isn't a thing until you are told true facts about the future, and then what is to come is unavoidable, unless you want half the universe to explode and monsters start swooping and diving around, eating people.
I liked it in pyramids of Mars, where the Doctor takes Sarah-Jane to her present her they did not stop Sutek in the 1920s, and it's a sandy wasteland where she was never born, to convince her to try harder.
I'm assuming the Moment always allowed the War Doctor to experience his future, and allowing Ten and Eleven back through the time lock. Thinking otherwise makes no sense; at which point would the timeline have been changed? What caused the change? Clara would always have been with Eleven, she would always have inspired him to think of solution, and all the Doctors would have worked together to save Gallifrey. Where's the possible switch point?
And if The Moment was built with a conscience, and it operated as intended, then it would have always taken the same action to show the operator (whether The Doctor or anyone else) the consequences and allow them to change their mind. Otherwise it means that in prior timelines The Moment was just a big bomb that went "boom" and not the device we saw in Day of the Doctor.
Yeah but didn't 9 say he used a Delta Wave to end the war? That was the same device he was rigging up in the finale of series 1
Missy joined Clara and 11 together.
Time like thermodynamics is a closed system until acted upon by a foreign activator.
Missy was not part of the 13's present until after 10 set Yana free, so 9 or the War Doctor looking forward would not see Missy or Clara, because they are in-sync with earlier versions of the Master, unless they cross their own timelines.
Missy joined Clara and 11 together.
Time like thermodynamics is a closed system until acted upon by a foreign activator.
Missy was not part of the 13's present until after 10 set Yana free, so 9 or the War Doctor looking forward would not see Missy or Clara, because they are in-sync with earlier versions of the Master, unless they cross their own timelines.
The High Council was failing in their own plan (The End of Time), as mentioned early in Day of the Doctor. That plan involved the Simm Master (although it could have been any future incarnation, it had to be the most contemporaneous one to the incumbent Doctor when the episode was made), so the Simm Master already existed at the time when the War Doctor was preparing to activate the Moment; in that point in time's future (and back at the start of DotD, before all the temporal shenanigans), fighting Rassilon, as per the ending of The End of Time. If one future version of the Master preexisted in DotD/War Doctor's future, then all future versions of the Master also exist in the future. Therefore, Missy, and by extension, Clara were both always in the future of the War Doctor.
Clear, now?
The timelords could not see Yana, and they had spent every version of the master inside the Timewar, and they don't think much of him anyway.
Prophecy is what the monks did, fast forward a simulation, and marvel at the end game. Prophecy and actually looking are different. Multitemporally the Master lead an infinite number of different lives, until you look, and then it's fixed. Looking at the results of a simulation does not fix time, but explains the likely hood of possible futures you can steer time towards.
Prophecy is what the monks did, fast forward a simulation, and marvel at the end game. Prophecy and actually looking are different. Multitemporally the Master lead an infinite number of different lives, until you look, and then it's fixed. Looking at the results of a simulation does not fix time, but explains the likely hood of possible futures you can steer time towards.
Wasn't that the point of destroying both the Timelords and the Daleks at the same time?
Not really?
It would have been foolish for every Dalek ship to be present, and the daleks in the past could see the future, say "fuck that" and pivot.
What's important in a timewar is who has the highground and who has the low ground. Whoever is back furtherest in time, can't have their history manipulated, and whoever has the high ground can see everything well enough to know where to score the best critical hit.
"What must have happened" the Doctor tricked the daleks into not being upstream of the destruction of Gallirey, and then locked the time war a fraction of a moment before his homeworld burnt.
It would have been foolish for every Dalek ship to be present, and the daleks in the past could see the future, say "fuck that" and pivot.
What's important in a timewar is who has the highground and who has the low ground. Whoever is back furtherest in time, can't have their history manipulated, and whoever has the high ground can see everything well enough to know where to score the best critical hit.
"What must have happened" the Doctor tricked the daleks into not being upstream of the destruction of Gallirey, and then locked the time war a fraction of a moment before his homeworld burnt.
Well I always found that whole aspect of DW's history to be very confusing. I don't even remotely understand the concept of the timelock. How does that work when all the previous Doctors could go to and from Gallifrey whenever they wanted? And saying it wasn't in place yet doesn't work because that kind of defeats the purpose of locking time.
I've not seen Parting Of The Ways for a while until a planned rewatch starting after Series 10 has ended, but I can't remember The Doctor mentioning that was what he used to end the Time War, but obviously he may have done.
I recall mention that there was some kind of limiter on a TARDIS that kept it locked to Gallifrey Time. They could travel through time all they wanted, but it was impossible to arrive on Gallifrey at a point in time before they left. In Day of the Doctor, all the Doctors arrive at once but all arrive at the "end" of the Time War, and only in the past due to the specific intervention of The Moment.
That's why I'm a bit funny about all this. If 9 remembers doing this and using that weapon, and specifically that particular weapon then at some point it must have happened.
Any future time travel shenanigans of course could change that but not at that particular time or series.
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