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Did anyyone else get annoyed...

In answer to the original question. There's a scene where Reed is overcharging the phase pistols and pushing em as far as they'd go to the point where the puncture a 1 inch piece of magic metal stuff.

Firstly, apparently A next gen phaser at full power could blow up a street in one shot, so its hardly reaching next gen levels of pohwah.

Secondly, like it's been said, these are Borg who have spent 100 years frozen in ice. They should have been cut off from the collective and alone allowing a chance to regain their individuality, but they didnt. This leads us to assume that their connected to the collective in the 22nd Century. That's like going from Wikipedia to Encarta 95 for information gathering, their information pool shrunk exponentially. Thus, its reasonable to assume that while they had shield technology, they had no idea what "frequencies" to adapt them too, even for low power weaponry. Eventually, the Borg adapted to the phase pistols once they had a chance to analyze them, but this took a considerable amount of time for the Borg, again, probably due to their limited numbers and resources due to being in the 22nd century.

As for the Borg against bullets, you have inconsistencies within the same movie. Data takes a full mag of what we can assume is high powered/high velocity ammo from Lilly in the Phoenix launch bay and is unscathed. The Borg on the other hand not only suffered from holographic bullets, but holographic bullets of a lower calibre than that of the mid 21st century high power rifle.

The only technobabble explanation I can think of is that the holodeck projection systems somehow screwed with the Borg's shielding (via adapting to a million and one different energy frequencies created by the various holograms all at once) long enough for the holographic bullets to penetrate the shielding.

Yeah, what i've just wrote it all bullshit, but its bullshit to explain the bullshit which is upsetting the shit of the OP and if the shoe (or shit) fits....
 
The Borg were hit by very real bullets; Picard had disabled the holodeck safeties.

I've never been clear on the hoo-hah about two measly Borg dying from gunfire anyway, as it seemed pretty reasonable to assume that if Picard had tried that on many more Borg they would have adapted their forcefield technology to stop the bullets just like they did for phasers.
 
The Borg were hit by very real bullets; Picard had disabled the holodeck safeties.

I've never been clear on the hoo-hah about two measly Borg dying from gunfire anyway, as it seemed pretty reasonable to assume that if Picard had tried that on many more Borg they would have adapted their forcefield technology to stop the bullets just like they did for phasers.

I know they were real bullets, but if they were accurate, they would have been smaller bullets than the ones Data got shot at him earlier on. I just find it hard to believe that 1000 years of Borg evolution would lead to inferior tech than Data would have in terms of sheer body armor.
 
It's possible Data's outer shell is made of stronger material. If nothing else, unlike the Borg he doesn't have exposed skin (though I appreciate the irony that I'm saying that while talking about FC).

In any case, the Borg have a clear tendency to leave potentially vital parts outside their bodies...witness the wires and such.
 
Explain to me why Humans have not found a cure for baldness by the 24th century....

They have, just nobody wants to use it.

In fact, Picard and Sisko aren't really bald at all - they just shave their heads to better resemble their hero, Captain Robau.
 
I understand the need for the heroes to prevail, but I wish they had used a little more creativity in coming up with the solution, instead of the old "set it to 11!" solution. Okay, the Borg are slightly damaged? Have their shields flicker on and off slightly like an old lightbulb. Maybe this allows the occasional shot to get through, you just have to keep it on target for an uncomfortably long period of time. Maybe the crew has to go hand to hand with them, wielding lead pipes and other improvised weapons. Both of these solutions would have been more original, I think; more importantly, they would have made the Borg scarier.

I don't know if we can single this episode out, though. There are plenty of ENT eps where the crew does exactly what the TNG crew had done, using what is functionally the same technology with a different name. It's one of the great missed opportunities of the show; I had hoped they would show us the early rough and tumble days of space travel where you didn't have all the technology to solve your problems, but most of the time they fell back on the same old "stun, beam, or remodulate?" solutions we had seen a hundred times before.
 
See, that makes sense for ENT, because they didn't know what the Borg were. But why didn't they use non-energy weapons in the 24th century? I'm sure I've missed some rational explanation for this.
I agree. We saw in FC that a Tommy gun and a Klingon mek'leth work against the Borg, so why didn't Picard and co replicate tonnes of Uzis and hand grenades to fight off the Borg?:confused:
 
Adapted to being like, literally blown to pieces? Do the parts reassemble themselves and keep going? The assimilated being is organic -- it would be dead. That's what I don't get.
 
I think they would have adapted their shields to deflect the bullets just as well as they did the phaser beams. Surely it'd just be a mini version of whatever the ships' use to deflect micro-meteoroids? And wouldn't the Borg shields protect them from Grenades just like the ship ones protect against torpdoes?
 
^Exactly. I don't know why this is such a hang-up for some people. Given what we've seen of Borg technology there's absolutely no reason to believe they were incapable of developing bulletproof shielding should they choose to.
 
I never understood why they never (especially with the borg) used the transporter as a weapon. If it can transport all sorts of matter (including gases and such) why not transport the borg and scatter them into space? Or, if shields are down, chunks of the ship (perhaps their coolant for the warp core).
 
IIRC correctly the Borg showed that they could implement anti-beaming shields as early as BOBWII.

Of course, they wouldn't have them up all the time, but I don't think there's any way a Federation ship could beam enough material off a Borg ship to make a difference before they adapted.
 
At how easily enterprise was able to find a way around the Borg's personal shielding in "Regeneration". Why would the crew of the enterprise from the 22nd century have more success fighting the Borg than Jean Luc Picard and his 24th century technology, someone please explain this to me.
anytime something like that happens a wizard did it. ;)
 
Although never seen, a mini restroom with hexagonal toilet was built into a little alcove in Captain Picard's ready room set in Star Trek: First Contact.

I remember reading some fans' speculation from many years ago (like, the 80's or thereabouts) that, in the future, they beam it out :eek:.
 
trying to remember some of the stuff floating around from years ago.
the scientists not only uncovered some of the drones but they also uncovered some type of borg tech node.

the borg once they were unburied seemed to start repairing themselves but didnt awake until the other tech was uncovered.

the borg not only were injuried by the crash and the force of the glacier but to a degree were dependent on the level of the local tech.
they could modify it but were hindered by not being part of the greater collective.

and gradually they did remember who they were.
we just didnt get to hear the identification because the communications got established just after it. though really we are the borg wasnt around at first in tng.

but if enterprise hadnt stopped them when they did the borg might have gotten far more dangerous.
the ship they were in the midst of assimilating came from a culture that had some form of replicator tech.
 
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