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borgfan8of5

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At how easily enterprise was able to find a way around the Borg's personal shielding in "Regeneration". Why would the crew of the enterprise from the 22nd century have more success fighting the Borg than Jean Luc Picard and his 24th century technology, someone please explain this to me.
 
And, if they hadn't... the Borg would've taken over everything. Plus, that's the beauty of it- free and creative individual minds can trump the Borg zombies.
 
At how easily enterprise was able to find a way around the Borg's personal shielding in "Regeneration". Why would the crew of the enterprise from the 22nd century have more success fighting the Borg than Jean Luc Picard and his 24th century technology, someone please explain this to me.
You make a fair point, but as already stated, it's a TV show and was expedient to the episode.
 
At how easily enterprise was able to find a way around the Borg's personal shielding in "Regeneration". Why would the crew of the enterprise from the 22nd century have more success fighting the Borg than Jean Luc Picard and his 24th century technology, someone please explain this to me.
I thought there was some indication that the Borg that were revived had been damaged by spending a century in the cold and were probably not functioning at optimum levels. The fact that they didn't even identify themselves as Borg would suggest there were gaps in their knowledge that would have had an impact on how they function.
 
I try not to pick apart any show I enjoy. Especially scifi. It is easy to ruin the story.
 
I think they were damaged and weren't operating as normal. I mean they were stuck in the ice for 90 years or so. Either that or the writers screwed the pooch here.
 
The idea that they weren't operating at full capability sounds good to me.

Also, it might be that there's enough difference between 22nd century phase pistols and 24th century phasers to make a difference in the Borg technology.

After all, we saw in First Contact that machine gun bullets were able to kill a Borg (and that was 20th century technology).

Yet another way to look at it was that the 24th Borg were stuck using 22nd century technology, and not top-of-the-line technology on top of that. Maybe the top-of-the-line tech on the NX-01 was enough to overcome them.
 
I haven't watched enough TNG or VOY regarding the Borg, but I never understood why they didn't go all low-tech when fighting them. Like, if you know they'll adapt to energy weapons, then why not chop them up with machine gun fire and hand grenades? Is there an in-universe explanation?
 
I haven't watched enough TNG or VOY regarding the Borg, but I never understood why they didn't go all low-tech when fighting them. Like, if you know they'll adapt to energy weapons, then why not chop them up with machine gun fire and hand grenades? Is there an in-universe explanation?
The only explanation I can think of is the absence of machine guns and grenades aboard the NX-01. Of course, a nice heavy pipe might be useful.
 
See, that makes sense for ENT, because they didn't know what the Borg were. But why didn't they use non-energy weapons in the 24th century? I'm sure I've missed some rational explanation for this.
 
See, that makes sense for ENT, because they didn't know what the Borg were. But why didn't they use non-energy weapons in the 24th century? I'm sure I've missed some rational explanation for this.

Because they would probably very soon adapt to those as well. Picard got lucky, he shot them before they had time to adapt.
 
The question I always had with the First Contact 'Machine Gun' bit - later in the film we see Borg walking on the 1701-E Hull in space. Given that to operate in space, the Borg 'armor' would need to be able to withstand a micrometeorite (or other particle) impact; WHY would the armor in it's base design NOT be bulletproof.

As for why the 22nd century phase pistols worked so well:

1) They're probably different enough from 23rd/24th century phasers that the Borg hadn't encountered them yet.

2) I WAS stated that the Borg were:

i) A bit damaged after a century in the frozen Tundra.

ii) Having to use and upgrade base 22nd century technology (which is why the NX-01 could catch them and why they were ab;le to destroy the Borgified Earth transport at the end of the episode.

3) As has been stated, it's a TV show. If the 'heroes' don't prevail; it kind of makes going further with the series rather difficult. ;)
 
Who says they haven't? Geordi didn't have to use his VISOR, perhaps Picard didn't have to be bald...
 
Given that to operate in space, the Borg 'armor' would need to be able to withstand a micrometeorite (or other particle) impact; .

Why? sure, it may puncture, but it's not like they're pressure suits. They borg are happily working away without oxygen.

otherwise, the only reason you'd want to prevent meteorite impacts would be if your were travelling at warp, they aren't doing that when they're outside the ship.
 
At how easily enterprise was able to find a way around the Borg's personal shielding in "Regeneration". Why would the crew of the enterprise from the 22nd century have more success fighting the Borg than Jean Luc Picard and his 24th century technology, someone please explain this to me.
I thought there was some indication that the Borg that were revived had been damaged by spending a century in the cold and were probably not functioning at optimum levels. The fact that they didn't even identify themselves as Borg would suggest there were gaps in their knowledge that would have had an impact on how they function.

I always figured they were more pre-occupied with completing their original mission of sending the message back to the DQ, that they didn't work as much on upgrading all the primitive technology they were assimilating to accomplish their mission.....

.... and on top of that, one could argue that since it was an earlier time from the TNG era, their way of thinking about combating the Borg would also be different, based on the technology and tactics used at that time.

Like cooking your food or replicating it..... both have the same end result, but the approach to that end result is different. Since the Borg was more accustomed to assimilating advanced and worthwhile technology from the 24th century, they might not have been 100% apt at dealing with more primitive/older technology and thinking...... or their ability to adapt to that technology was limited based on the technology they assimilated.


The question I always had with the First Contact 'Machine Gun' bit - later in the film we see Borg walking on the 1701-E Hull in space. Given that to operate in space, the Borg 'armor' would need to be able to withstand a micrometeorite (or other particle) impact; WHY would the armor in it's base design NOT be bulletproof.

Would need to and does are two different things..... I just considered their suits to be about par as our space suits for short term space walks..... if you shoot an astronaut with a tommy gun, does he not implode? ;)

But I always figured they borg would eventually adapt to projectile bullets and setup something like a deflector shield around them once they figured out their speed, power, rate of fire, etc. I mean, star ships have shields to defend against energy weapons, yet also have deflector shields to help avoid space debris from whacking into the ship..... the principles for that I imagine would be the same for the Borg against bullets.
 
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