Did 30 years of Star Trek not happen?

[Attentiveluke]

It is becoming increasingly apparent to me that everything from TOS through to VOY has been written out of existence and never happened. The makers of Star Trek discovery are insistent that STD is ‘prime timeline’ but the only way that is possible is if the Star Trek series from the 1960s up until before ENT are no longer canon.

I don’t know if the timeline was reset by First Contact or Archers temporal reset button or if the JJ verse is actually the new canon rather than ‘taking place in an alternate universe’ or some other event, but there is no way STD takes place in the same timeline as the cage.

So do we now have to accept that the Star Trek Universe has had the x- men/terminator treatment and we should one day expect the new Picard series that is being made to take place in the rebooted TNG era featuring Captain Benjamin Burnham and the staments type android Data?

 

[BillJ]

It is becoming increasingly apparent to me that everything from TOS through to VOY has been written out of existence and never happened. The makers of Star Trek discovery are insistent that STD is ‘prime timeline’ but the only way that is possible is if the Star Trek series from the 1960s up until before ENT are no longer canon.

I just treat Discovery as a different timeline within the Star Trek multiverse.

 

[Greg Cox]

Do the episodes still exist? Can we still watch them? Then they still "happened" as much as any work of fiction happens.

Whether future TREK shows will treat them as gospel is another issue, but that doesn't mean the previous shows have been wiped away or lost value or anything.

 

[Butters]

Did the thirty odd threads about this not happen?

It’s prime, it’s the same continuity. Some of TOS works best if deemed apocryphal anyway. It will all work out.

 

[Forbin]

How about if Discovery is apocryphal?

 

[BillJ]

How about if Discovery is apocryphal?

I don't think it needs to be apocryphal. I also don't understand the need to cram it into the TOS universe? Beyond marketing.

 

[mos6507]

How about if Discovery is apocryphal?

Someone start a petition for a Jonathan Frakes and Marina Sirtis holodeck ending.

 

[Tenacity]

Fifty years on, TOS is still regarded with fondness and many fans (myself included) rate it as their favorite.

 

[Kibbin]

Discovery is an IMAGINARY STORY... Aren't they all?-Alan Moore

 

[2takesfrakes]

There's nothing wrong, at all, with adhering to canon. At the same time, it's cool if there's license taken -- as long as it's not absurd license taken. As long as TNG is still available to view and for purchase, in its originally form, then I, personally, am fine with whatever Discovery does. The pink receipt to STAR TREK isn't in the hands of anyone named Roddenberry or Berman or Bennett. I'm sure Sir Arthur Conan Doyle would look at the series "Sherlock" and say, "... this doesn't look like anything I recognise." Well ... maybe because it's not 1887, anymore. It's just how it has to be, that's all.

 

[F. King Daniel]

It is becoming increasingly apparent to me that everything from TOS through to VOY has been written out of existence and never happened. The makers of Star Trek discovery are insistent that STD is ‘prime timeline’ but the only way that is possible is if the Star Trek series from the 1960s up until before ENT are no longer canon.

I don’t know if the timeline was reset by First Contact or Archers temporal reset button or if the JJ verse is actually the new canon rather than ‘taking place in an alternate universe’ or some other event, but there is no way STD takes place in the same timeline as the cage.

So do we now have to accept that the Star Trek Universe has had the x- men/terminator treatment and we should one day expect the new Picard series that is being made to take place in the rebooted TNG era featuring Captain Benjamin Burnham and the staments type android Data?

Is Batman Begins still canon now that Gotham is airing? This is the same deal.

 

[Orac]

The OP is correct. None of it happened. it's all fiction.

 

[uniderth]

It is becoming increasingly apparent to me that everything from TOS through to VOY has been written out of existence and never happened. The makers of Star Trek discovery are insistent that STD is ‘prime timeline’ but the only way that is possible is if the Star Trek series from the 1960s up until before ENT are no longer canon.

I don’t know if the timeline was reset by First Contact or Archers temporal reset button or if the JJ verse is actually the new canon rather than ‘taking place in an alternate universe’ or some other event, but there is no way STD takes place in the same timeline as the cage.

So do we now have to accept that the Star Trek Universe has had the x- men/terminator treatment and we should one day expect the new Picard series that is being made to take place in the rebooted TNG era featuring Captain Benjamin Burnham and the staments type android Data?

No. It just means that we can safely ignore Enterprise, Discovery, and JJTrek.

 

[ItIsGreen]

No. It just means that we can safely ignore Enterprise, Discovery, and JJTrek.

Ignore them all you like, doesn't make them any less canon.

 

[BillJ]

Ignore them all you like, doesn't make them any less canon.

I agree with you. They are all canon.

But what does that actually mean to the average viewer? We get worked up about it, but these arguments aren't going to keep the show afloat. Compelling drama will.

 

[Lord Garth]

Of course there are 30 years that didn't happen. There's a block from 2200 to 2230 that's never been touched upon.

And 2161 to 2233? Who knows anything about that?

 

[mos6507]

it's cool if there's license taken -- as long as it's not absurd license taken.

**cough** giant space tardigrades and spore drives.

 

[mos6507]

Ignore them all you like, doesn't make them any less canon.

Funny thing, canon. Take the new Terminator movie being produced. It will completely ignore anything after T2. How about the new Halloween? It's going to be a direct continuation of the original, invalidating the others. How about X-Men after the Disney/Fox deal? So it's not like canon is immutable even from the IP owners. If they want to write off a piece of canon, they will.

Heck, before Discovery most here were performing last-rites on the Prime Continuity, saying from now on it was Kelvin or Bust. Instead we have Prime...in Kelvin drag.

 

[Nerys Myk]

It is becoming increasingly apparent to me that everything from TOS through to VOY has been written out of existence and never happened. The makers of Star Trek discovery are insistent that STD is ‘prime timeline’ but the only way that is possible is if the Star Trek series from the 1960s up until before ENT are no longer canon.

I don’t know if the timeline was reset by First Contact or Archers temporal reset button or if the JJ verse is actually the new canon rather than ‘taking place in an alternate universe’ or some other event, but there is no way STD takes place in the same timeline as the cage.

So do we now have to accept that the Star Trek Universe has had the x- men/terminator treatment and we should one day expect the new Picard series that is being made to take place in the rebooted TNG era featuring Captain Benjamin Burnham and the staments type android Data?

Uh, no.

 

[Nerys Myk]

**cough** giant space tardigrades and spore drives.

**cough** giant space amoeba and energy beings.