Thou shalt have no other gods before me.
Straight out of the Bible, Ten Commandments. I don't know too many "thumpers," but they do seem to like the show.
Devil's Due...WTF???
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Straight out of the Bible, Ten Commandments. I don't know too many "thumpers," but they do seem to like the show.
I think it would have been cool if in the last few minutes the entity that really did make the agreement appeared. But that would have ruined the whole "they did it themselves without realizing their self worth" vibe. It isn't as if they didn't have 1000+ year old beings before. A Q, Metron, Vorlon, thing like Trelane, or something completely new.
Thank you, T'Girl, I sort of responded obliquely with my critical thinking remark, but I found that comment you quoted problematic and you addressed it much better than I.
Thou shalt have no other gods before me.
Straight out of the Bible, Ten Commandments. I don't know too many "thumpers," but they do seem to like the show.
Thank you, T'Girl, I sort of responded obliquely with my critical thinking remark, but I found that comment you quoted problematic and you addressed it much better than I.
Thou shalt have no other gods before me.
Straight out of the Bible, Ten Commandments. I don't know too many "thumpers," but they do seem to like the show.
Sorry but I don't know what you're referring to, other than the bible that is.
This would have been interesting, especially since Data had already researched and confirmed the legal validity of the ancient contract. Since the locals (at least their leadership) were willing to live up to their contractual obligations, what would Picard's options be?
He would probably have been told to simply leave ... now.
I would also have liked to have seen the Ardra pretender get away in the end.
That's alright.
This would have been interesting, especially since Data had already researched and confirmed the legal validity of the ancient contract. Since the locals (at least their leadership) were willing to live up to their contractual obligations, what would Picard's options be?
He would probably have been told to simply leave ... now.
I would also have liked to have seen the Ardra pretender get away in the end.
That's alright.
I was giving you an opportunity to explain yourself better. Subtlety doesn't work with everyone.
I think it would have been extra-fun if Ardra had turned out to be a cosmically powerful entity (possibly a Q) with a pesonality similar to Lwaxana Troi and would have been like
"Oh yeah, that old contract, I just made that up to ensure that you don't get lazy again, forget all about it darlings! Ta-Ta!"
I think what was meant is that the "false gods" of Star Trek were only ever those of alien or pagan societies, never the Abrahamic God, which would be perfectly compatible with many schools of Christian Thought that sometimes have proposed that pagan gods were demons in disguise or made up by mortal frauds to scam the general populace.
Regardless of that as a religious person myself (Not a Bible Thumber - I assume you mean "strictly by the book" Christians by that) I don't think that religiosity/spirituality and being a Star Trek fan are mutually exclusive.
Even the Ardra episode is in my eyes less anti-religious/anti-theism than it says that everything can be appropriated and corrupted by unscrupulous people to further their own petty goals.
After all, however that contract was created, it seems it did have a positive, psychological impact on the people of that planet, giving them the drive to clean their planet and showing, in a roundabout way, the positive impact faith can have.
Yeah, I know. Each time I open a bible, I say to myself "This is the genuine article, everything else is just bunk!"
And I don't feel like my confidence is misplaced, not at all. In fact, when you look at the Christians, you see how different their approach to religion is from everybody else. It's obvious that they are the only ones with the truth...
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Yeah, I know. Each time I open a bible, I say to myself "This is the genuine article, everything else is just bunk!"
And I don't feel like my confidence is misplaced, not at all. In fact, when you look at the Christians, you see how different their approach to religion is from everybody else. It's obvious that they are the only ones with the truth...
I wasn't saying that, I was just explaining what I thought T'Gril meant and how it relates to some streams of Christian thought that would even allow "Bible-Thumpers" to enjoy the show.
They are not necessarily my believes but I have come across them.
(Christianity is not a single lump, it has many subdivisions and sects, free flowing theories and disparities between official teaching and folk belief, just like all other religions)
If you want a serious discussion about Theology I can start it up by explaining that Biblical Literalism (taking the Bible at 100% face value) is just one, fairly young stream within Christianity and one I, personally, don't agree with.
And please don't think I am angered by your message or anything. After all I hope that what I believe is close to the truth, but I have no means of knowing it. And realistically I think all religion is just an attempt by humans to understand the divine. I just find the topic really interesting
Most Christians, contrary to popular belief, aren't threatened by alternate theologies in fictional universes.
I see Devil's Due as a pretty average episode, maybe in the 40th percentile of TNG episodes overall. Ardra hitting on Picard was a bit much. I enjoy the part at the end where Picard is 'Stealing' Ardra's powers. And I don't think the message of the episode is to reject religion so much as to apply skepticism to those cliaming to represent it.
Like, a real world analogy to Ardra would be somebody like Pat Robertson.
I see Devil's Due as a pretty average episode, maybe in the 40th percentile of TNG episodes overall. Ardra hitting on Picard was a bit much. I enjoy the part at the end where Picard is 'Stealing' Ardra's powers. And I don't think the message of the episode is to reject religion so much as to apply skepticism to those cliaming to represent it.
Like, a real world analogy to Ardra would be somebody like Pat Robertson.
I don't know if I'm out of line in saying so here, but IMO we have a splendid example of Ardra in reality. His name was L. Ron Hubbard
^ That. I had just assumed "Bible Thumpers" referred to the subset that was more likely to.
And that 100% agree.
Or a warning that entire civilizations in a sort of mass hysteria can fall prey because of the weak and superstitious who are willing to put their faith in what a book promises and project it onto whatever comes along at the time.
Come to think of it, they sort of did that in "Piece of the Action" too.
Come to think of it, they sort of did that in "Piece of the Action" too.
I know some personally who really do, though (including my father). But indeed, they are a minority AFAIK.
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