Destruction of Vulcan
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What would you have done differently? Would you have found another way to involve old Spock?
I think that--if it's left out--you'd need to find another pretty substantial story element which:
A) provides a reason for the presence of oldSpock
B) provides a reason for nuSpock to be emotionally compromised
C) provides an example of what Red Matter does
D) provides a large target for Nero's compulsion for revenge
E) provides a reason for oldSpock to appear at all in Into Darkness
F) probably more things which haven't occurred to me yet, but these ought to do for starters.
If it's not necessary for the story, what would you introduce in its place which would fulfill all those functions (and perhaps more)?
Someone suggested in another thread that they could make a movie about the Doomsday weapon. That or the space amoeba could be a driving force for the movie's plot. Perhaps they could have had one of these destroy Romulus and Nero followed it, bent on seeking revenge or siccing it on those he blamed for not killing/destroying them when they had the chance.
It was nice to have him reprise the role twice more ('09 and Into Darkness). Plus, it helped establish the fact that the Kelvin films were an alternate reality that coexisted alongside TOS, and didn't replace it.
Except the destruction of Vulcan didn't destroy all Vulcans. Diminished them, certainly, but didn't destroy them.Well, I'm talking about the destruction of Star Trek's most popular and maybe most important species.
So honestly I don't really care about the apperance of old Spock in the movie. Actually I found it rather weird
So it isn't so much the necessity of [thing] to the story we were told as it is that what you wanted was a completely different story?Well, I'm talking about the destruction of Star Trek's most popular and maybe most important species.
So honestly I don't really care about the apperance of old Spock in the movie. Actually I found it rather weird
You're in luck: there's a forum for that. It's called Fan Fiction.
You can have any story you want, with whatever characters you want. And, if there are characters or events you don't want to appear in your story, you can just leave them out.
This forum, however, is for discussing the Kelvin Timeline movies we got. If you want to change the stories substantially, Fan Fiction is probably your best bet.
It was an unexpected plot twist that propelled the rest of the story. I thought it was fine. Since it was an alternate timeline, I wasn't bothered by it. It was an exciting story that set up a premise of anything can happen. Future films didn't do a hell of a lot with it, but Abrams isn't known for sticking landings.
I suppose. Or perhaps there could have been social upheaval on Vulcan, with a split between those who wish to retaliate and those who wish to focus on rebuilding.
As for changes, how about making it so that not every movie is basically "The Wrath of Fill-in-the-blank"?
As for changes, how about making it so that not every movie is basically "The Wrath of Fill-in-the-blank"?
I found it completely necessary for the story told, especially based on knowledge of Spock's relationship with his mother and one of his great regrets was not telling her that he loved her.
It's actually quite interesting how a lot of motivation is mirrored in TOS.
Protect his younger self, and family, from temporal agents. Basically, a live action and cinematic version of “Yesteryear”.
Both Sarek and Amanda die. Let’s add the loss of Spock’s extended family and T’Pring as well. And a sensitivity to Uhura, and to a less extent Pike, being in any danger.
It still produces singularities. It can just also be miniaturized to target specific individuals.
Nero hates the reunification movement. As shortly after they succeeded, which involved Romulus joining the Federation, the Federation failed to rescue his family during the supernova. So, Nero retroassassinates the members of the movement. He also intends to destroy the founding worlds of the Federation, but only after killing Spock.
Some other threat from TOS that Spock can assist with (ex. planet killer, Garth of Izar, Genesis device prototype, Sybok and his followers, Gary Mitchell, etc).
The destruction of Vulcan is important as it means that history can never get back on track, the movie can never lead to the events of the Prime Timeline, and nothing is safe.
One timeline loses Romulus, the other loses Vulcan. Weird symmetry.
As others have said, it was the big "the timeline's not getting fixed" moment. Both in a huge galactic sense with Vulcan, and a personal sense with Amanda. I thought it was very well done.
As others have said, it was the big "the timeline's not getting fixed" moment. Both in a huge galactic sense with Vulcan, and a personal sense with Amanda. I thought it was very well done.
Won't Romulus still be destroyed in the Kelvin timeline?
They've got 100+ years of warning now, I'm sure the evacuation will happen with plenty of time if the nova can't be prevented.
Before Nimoy died and when the OG ST3 was being developed with cameos from Shatner and Nimoy as older versions of Pine and Quinto's Kelvinverse characters, I was kinda hoping the end would be a flashforward of them overseeing the successful evacuation in 2385...
Potentially, but the data may help them save more lives, if not the entire planet.
I feel as a narrative idea Vulcan/Earth/Narada is to Alderaan/Yavin IV/Death Star. You need the trial run of the weapon to set the stakes, at least in the story they were telling. It also is a punctuation mark on this being an alternate timeline. You could probably rewrite it so that Vulcan isn't destroyed but then you'd have to change up the rest of the story into something else to make it narratively fulfilling, changing character motivations or something to make it palatable. Destroying Vulcan shows exactly what kind of character Nero is and that there's no compromise. He's just a storm coming and the Enterprise has to put him down.
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