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Designing A Trek Ship

I've always wondered why the Federation doesn't just build a Borg cube sized ship, stuff it with half a dozen warp reactors and cover the hull in Phasers and Quantum Torpedo launches.

So I'd like to know what you think would make the most efficient ship design? what would it's shape be? what would it look like? what weapons would be the best to have? how big would it be? what would it be powered by? what would it's propulsion be? Do you have ideas of your own for weapons and defences based on known Trek technology?

Design the perfect most advanced Trek ship.
 
"Most efficient", eh? I suppose the logical question is what the ship's intended use is. Also: what era are you building the ship for?

If the ship is intended for combat, the best design by far would be Sisko's Defiant.

If the ship is to be an explorer for the Federation, then Kirk's original Enterprise seems to be the mold to follow, although Picard's Enterprise-D seems more practical with multiple hangars.

As far as power is concerned and propulsion is concerned, the mysterious impostor-ship Duantless seemed to use some exotic technology that did not rely on matter/antimatter fuel (was it some zero-point variant?) and high-speed "quantum slipstream" drive.

If I were making a post-TNG ship, it would likely be a Poseidon. Maybe at some point it could be fitted with a Dauntless drive.

If I were making a TOS-era ship, I might go for a Constitution-class cruiser or maybe something like Starscape's Spitfire.
 
Well if it's going to be the most advanced Trek ship then it's going to be post TNG and post Nemesis. Designing a ship from TOS days isn't the most advanced Trek ship since anything from the late 24th century would wipe it out in an instant.
As for most efficient I would imagine a ship capable of doing everything would be the most efficient you can get. No good having it as just a combat ship with no science labs, it wouldn't be very efficient.

I like the poseidon design but wouldn't a sphere shaped vessel make for a better ship?
 
^Beat me to it. Yes, in space a sphere is the optimal shape for many reasons. My favorite being the most efficient shape for making quick orientation changes. Like pulling a 180 to fire at a ship behind you. Now, if you throw in "warp dynamics", based on what we see in trek, the sphere is obviously not an option.
 
The Borg are so technologically beyond the Federation that it's not even funny.

They probably have multiple ways of configuring warp geometry that Federation scientists haven't even theorized about yet.
 
^ I agree. The Borg configure their ships around their needs and the technologies they plunder. Conquering so many races in the Galaxy has probably given them access to numerous technologies to exploit.

I doubt that the Federation is capable of completely divorcing themselves from the "saucer 'n cigars" design concept, of the Enterprise-J would already have been a sphere or cube. Depending on how you want to look at this (your original message didn't offer much detail) you could de-evolve your ship backwards from the Enterprise-J.
 
I'm talking about designing a trek ship here anyway, i'm not saying design a federation one only.
By looking at the technology we've seen throughout Trek, and utilising technology we've seen used by ALL the races.... design the best kind of ship.
 
Human starships are built with a modular construction for a number of obvious reasons. Primarily, because separating different system components in different parts of the ship makes a great deal of logistical sense and increases survivability. Also, because if you're one of those races who greets other cultures with something other than "You will be assimilated" or "It's a good day to die!" chances are you probably care about things like ionizing radiation and low-frequency vibration discomforting your crew. So it's best to keep your crew quarters in a seperate module as far away from the engines and power systems as you can manage.

Habitation spaces are best contained in the primary hull. Starfleet has played with different configurations, and has found the spherical primary hull to be ideal for most civilian applications. Therefore, the quintessential "bare bones" of Form + Function would be something that looks like the Discovery from 2001: a spherical module containing crew quarters, shuttle bays, navigational deflector and the bridge. Attach this--with a long neck for seperation--to a drive section that contains the warp core and impulse engines. Attach other parts as necessary (you'll notice that Klingons, ever the utilitarians, generally DO design their ships around this basic pattern).

Things get tricky when you add more functions to the ship and form. A sphere is ideal in terms of volume and strength to weight ratio, but for the same mathematical reasons it's a nightmare for damage control. In space, especially in combat, you want your ship to have as much external surface area as possible for it mass, thus allowing your damage control scheme to isolate hull breaches or fires before they can result in a catastrophic failure. So a photon torpedo exploding against an unshielded spherical module would blow out one whole compartment and compromise the integrity of all seventeen adjacent compartments. A photon torpedo striking an unshielded DISK, however, would blow out one compartment and compromise the integrity of the eight adjacent compartments, and even in the worst case scenario the torpedo will blow right through the saucer and back out into space instead of delivering most of its energy even deeper into the ship.

A saucer-shaped engineering module may also be feasible, assuming one places vital components directly in the center of the disk with support equipment around the periphery (much the same reason the bridge is on the top and center of the saucer, where it is unlikely to be affected by damage to the primary hull). If warp core ejection is going to be a major requirement, then the warp core itself is going to need its own little blister area just like the bridge. So in this bare-bones scheme, you have a primary and secondary hull, both saucer shaped, stacked on top of each other like the old-style Cylon base stars: bridge on of the upper saucer, warp core on the bottom of the lower saucer.

Then there's engine placement. Ideally, you want as little space between the warp core and the nacelles as possible, so the best place for the nacelles is directly below the secondary hull, probably perpendicular to it. This ship can have anywhere between two and four nacelles; I would recommend three, with two-engine capability in case one of the nacelles fails for some reason. This gives you a tripod nacelle configuration beneath a pair of stacked saucer hulls, and top it all off with a trio of impulse engines mounted between the tripod legs, maintaining clearance for the warp core ejection sequence. The deck layout fives a "feet aft" orientation so that artificial gravity pulls everyone "down" towards the warp engines while the bridge is on the "top" of the ship. The obvious advantage of this is, of course, that artificial gravity can be provided by virtue of the ship's own acceleration, allowing the gravity generators and inertial dampeners to operate in a low-energy mode, saving power. Placement of the navigational deflector will be problematic for this ship, but the best solution is to mount three deflectors on the front of the nacelles themselves and configuring them to double as bussard collectors.

As you have no doubt guessed, this would be one butt-ugly starship. But it has certain advantages, not the least of which is modularity; you can stack more saucer modules between the primary and secondary hull to use the ship as a freighter or an evacuation transport. Weapons wouldn't really be a problem either, since phaser banks could be mounted anywhere on the primary and secondary hulls and photon torpedoes could be either waist-mounted on the secondary hull or rim-mounted in turret launchers like DS9's sail launchers. Since a ship with this configuration isn't likely to be very maneuverable--though it could well be EXTREMELY fast--it's probably optimized for a kind of ultra-long range mission, like, say, retracing Voyager's footsteps in a thorough exploration of the regions Admiral Janeway passed through.
 
Also a side note: the reason Borg build ships that are cube/sphere shaped is because the Borg have exactly NO imagination and don't really care how badly their ships get fucked up. Really, Borg ships are just big flying boxes where they keep all their stuff, no more or less functional than that.
 
I'm sorry, I thought you were asking for the most efficient Starship design? Pretty sure I just explained that in painfully exhausting detail.
 
I like the Achilles class.

I think building a ship the size of a Cube is unreasonable for Starfleet. I mean, it would take years or even decades to build something that massive and the majority of its systems would be outdated by the time its finished. They'd have to refit it afterwards. The Federation just doesn't have the tech to build ships that big quickly.
 
I'm talking about designing a trek ship here anyway, i'm not saying design a federation one only.
By looking at the technology we've seen throughout Trek, and utilising technology we've seen used by ALL the races.... design the best kind of ship.

Oh, then you're talking about a ship like Gomtuu, aka "Tin Man". Look at how fast Gomtuu wiped out the Romulans.
 
I'm sorry, I thought you were asking for the most efficient Starship design?

Yeh that was just one of the questions. You basically went into detail explaining why Fed ships are efficient, you have yet to create a design of your own and answer all the other questions pertaining to it. The whole idea of this thread is to design your own ship which you haven't done.

I didn't want an essay on why Federation ships and the configuration of their design is efficient, I want you to design your own ship and explain the systems, weapons, defences and propulsion it would have based on what you've seen in trek.

You gave an interesting if long winded response but it wasn't what I was looking for.
 
I'm sorry, I thought you were asking for the most efficient Starship design?

Yeh that was just one of the questions. You basically went into detail explaining why Fed ships are efficient, you have yet to create a design of your own and answer all the other questions pertaining to it. The whole idea of this thread is to design your own ship which you haven't done.

I didn't want an essay on why Federation ships and the configuration of their design is efficient, I want you to design your own ship and explain the systems, weapons, defences and propulsion it would have based on what you've seen in trek.

You gave an interesting if long winded response but it wasn't what I was looking for.
Actually, that long explanation there does seem to have new ship design. If you draw out what is said, it makes a ship, whose configuration is clearly different than any ship configuration I've seen in the star trek universe...

From what the response says, the ship sounds like it looks kinda like this:

_____Front View_____________Port View______
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I'm guessing that the primary saucer and engineering saucer could be different sizes, and the arrangement of how the nacelles look on the bottom could also vary.

It doesn't have as much detail about the weaponry and such as it does about the reasons for it's shape, but it doesn't have much less detail about the weapons/defense/engines than any of the other responses I've seen so far.
 
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