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Spoilers Designated Survivor

Eh, it's less "stupidity of 24's writing" and more "trope of this type of series." Which is why I hope the conspiracy thing is over with soon, or only for the first season, and the rest of the series focus just on the vastly more interesting idea of an "everyman" running the country.

But, yeah, the Deputy Director was being a bit *too* obvious of tipping off the Congressman. Certainly when entering the Oval Office he could have said something like, "Excuse me sir. Given the sensitivity of this information I'd prefer to give it to you in private as Congressman (whatever) doesn't have clearance." Or something along those lines in order to get Congressman out of there but not act all suspicious with the "What, oh I called to tell you that I had to come tell you I had nothing to tell you."

But, yeah we're in the trope of the good guy being a puppet for the bad guy due to control over a family member which, to be fair, was half the story in 24's first season.

I'm more "bothered" by this "trope" of the all-powerful, all-seeing, monolithic organization that controls all aspects of everything. There's now two series on TV that I watch that do this, Designated Survivor and Timeless. The idea also played a role in Prison Break with "The Company" and it even had a role in 24 to one degree or another. Can't there just be bad people doing bad things without them being tied to some all-powerful organization that controls every aspect of the government and has been since pretty much the very beginning? (Sorry, that last bit shifts too far into Timeless's story.)

The basic premise of the show is interesting enough, I don't think we need to add conspiratorial nonsense.

And, I dunno, it's impossible for me to know what it's like to be in this position but given the pressure he's under and how it seems the story is bound to come out sooner or later why not cut the nuts off the story, and the guy in prison, confront their son about , get the paternity test taken and then release a statement to the press. That Kiefer and the First Lady met one another after she had broken up with her ex and soon after got pregnant, the child is (whoever's) and they're still a family that is close who love one another? Seems like the story could be wrapped up quickly and dealt with by being pro-active about it and they're just making things more complicated and potentially worse by trying to keep the cover-up and evade the press.
 
Eh, it's less "stupidity of 24's writing" and more "trope of this type of series." Which is why I hope the conspiracy thing is over with soon, or only for the first season, and the rest of the series focus just on the vastly more interesting idea of an "everyman" running the country.
It's still bad writing. If you really think the conspiratorial storyline is going to go away anytime soon, you're only fooling yourself.

Yet, this wasn't even the worst writing of the whole episode: So Seth was able to kill the story by leveraging the reporter with a better story, but what's stopping the asshole convict from going to another reporter?

I'm done with this show. Great premise flushed down the toilet with bad writing.
 
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Most of the fun of the first couple episodes was talking about the line of succession. I'll probably stop watching now. Though, I may change my mind if I hear good things.
 
I gave up on this show a few weeks back when the conspiracy started to piss me off. Now we are having 'whose your daddy?" issues?

Honestly it's a show about the American government being wiped out, the wet dream of 250,000,000 Americans right now, and they are doing that shit?
 
I still have a lot of hope and interest in this show, but once, just ONCE, I would like there to be some good news without an immediate "Dammit" moment right after. The poor guy has to catch a break sometime, doesn't he?

And yes, the whole thing about the FBI guy's son being kidnapped is too over the top for me. This ISN'T 24... This is a show about politics and political intrigue.. Now how many episodes are they going to go with the FBI Director looking pensive and evading "what's wrong?" questions from people around him. It's like watching a fight scene in Dragon Ball Z... 30 minutes of posturing and then a few fisticuffs at the end. Sorry.. Rant over..
 
Seriously, the way this show is going (hell, devolving might be the better term) we're gonna have Kiefer walking around the White House with an M-4 by the end of the season. ;)
 
Designated Survivor getting new showrunner

Hopefully the new showrunner improves the show. it's trying to be a West Wing/24 combo. So far I've found the West Wing part of the show to be more compelling than the 24 part. 24 did this type of thing so much better (especially in earlier seasons) DS is doing.

Also could the writers be more subtle? McLeish's wife is going on about how they have to do this (basically overthrowing the government) to restore the American empire? Gee, they may have well have them both wearing one of those fugly Trump Make American Great Again hats on in that scene. They need to not drag this thing out past this season or it;ll get even more tedious.
 
I'm trying to remember which other Presidential assassination attempt had the most obvious open window that everyone looking out for it and even people not looking out for it would've spotted. Maybe it was The West Wing.
 
My grandmother and I are huge West Wing fans but this show is a mess. What is it with political shows that they can't keep a show runner? There was also that short lived first female president show on ABC 10 years ago.

Get a show runner and get over this 24 bullshit. Fire half the cast if need be, but more on. There can still be political setups for taking power, like season 2 of Scandal, but it needs to have focus and direction. Something Scandal has neither of at the moment.
 
I'm trying to remember which other Presidential assassination attempt had the most obvious open window that everyone looking out for it and even people not looking out for it would've spotted. Maybe it was The West Wing.
Yeah, it was West Wing. The shooters were holding up their guns in full view of the street in a red-lit second story room about 30 feet from the President's car and then slowly opened the window and stuck their guns out. Secret Service Agent Stevie Wonder could have taken them out.

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I've said it many times. Tv shows like this that start out with a very narrow premise and relies heavily on dragging things out and focusing more on mystery than solid storytelling always fizzle. From Surface, helix, under the dome, vanished, daybreak, revolution, Alcatraz, zero hour, deception, the event, flash forward, quantico, threshold, blindspot, resurrection, invasion, wayward pines, crisis, frequency, cult, journeyman, ringer, life on Mars, pretty little liars, dead of summer, the messengers, whispers and the list goes on and on

I blame LOST for making Hollywood writers think that big mystery puzzle shows are the direction they needed to go. Shows really need to go back to having a very opened premise with a modest ensemble and straightforward storytelling. None of this flashing back or forward; none of this everybody is connected in some way. Cut back on the plotlines, give more time to scenes rather than jumping around so fast you can't follow. Enough with the sleight of hand games writers focus on to keep the audience in the dark. Worry about telling good stories with interesting characters

And enough with the conspiracy stuff that guides all events for a larger purpose
 
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I agree with everything you said and I say that as a big LOST fan who largely has no issues with the show. I'm equally annoyed (but unsurprised) that so many show are trying to replicate what LOST did in the manner you described.

One caveat: Which version of Life on Mars are you referring to? The original British show is excellent from beginning to end, whereas I've heard (I refuse to watch it) the American remake is utter crap.

As for this show, based on the few comments on the last two episodes, I'm really glad I bailed when I did. It sounds like it's only getting worse and I doubt a new showrunner will be able to recover it.
 
I don't know, my wife and I both like the show. I don't feel like they are dragging it out unduly, it feels like a real beginning to a new president and the investigation following the bombing. Yes I agree there are too many machinations, trying to cast everyone as possible conspirator.

The wait until March is the worst part about this. Just as it was getting going, a three month break.
 
Maggie Q and Kiefer Sutherland seem to be on two different shows.
During the drive she took to the Capitol last week we kept waiting for the side impact truck out of nowhere that's ever so popular in TV and movies these days, and they didn't disappoint (or did, if you're not a fan of the cliche). Though they changed it up a bit by having the truck hit the passenger side so she could escape. But the whole time she was driving I kept waiting for the camera to pan to the side window and then "boom!" It's about as predictable as the whole "open the refrigerator (or other) door and then when you close it the killer will be standing there" cliche in thriller movies and TV.
 
Last episode was actually pretty good... However, I do find it odd that Maggie didn't try to call the assassination attempt in to someone.. Surely, as an FBI agent, she knows a few back-door numbers she could call that would yield quick results. No way she could park/run that close to the event itself. When the president is going to be doing a public appearance, DC goes on lockdown.
 
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