^ Still waiting for the next story, BTW. 

There is a problem with using population as a way to determine how many representatives a country is allowed to have in the House of Representatives. Some countries would dwarf others significantly and would wield considerably more power. I would instead say that a country gets to send one representative for each state/province it has. For instance, the United States would be able to send 52 representatives, as it has 52 (I believe this was established in a TNG episode). While this would still throw the balance in favor of the larger countries, it wouldn't be as large a disparity if population was the deciding factor.LRT said:
My version of a United Earth government would be a weak federalist government.
Pre-existing nations would remain and would continue to exercise primary power over strictly internal matters. The UE government's powers, which would be enumerated in a constitution, would cover planet-wide issue, common defense and external relations with other planets.
I would propose a bicameral legislature, with the lower house directly elected within each nation with the number of representatives based on the population of the country. This house would have final authority over budgets and general legislation. The upper house would contain one representative for each nation, selected according to the preference of each nation (i.e. some nations may appoint a representative, some may elect the representative in a national election, while others might have a president or other head of state serve as the representative). The upper house's concurrence would be needed to sign treaties, declare war and appoint senior officials.
As for the head of state, I would adopt the EU model of the rotating presidency, with each nation's head of state serving a fixed term as planetary head of state. The head of government would be general secretary, who would elected by majorities in both houses of the legislature. Statutory cabinet offices would include secretaries or ministers of defense, external affairs, trade and economic development, science and technology and exploration.
The planetary constitution would guarantee civil liberties for all citizens of Earth and preserve the authority of national governments over internal matters. It would also prohibit the UE's joint defense forces from deployment on Earth and would prevent their use against any nation on Earth.
Braxton said:
There is a problem with using population as a way to determine how many representatives a country is allowed to have in the House of Representatives. Some countries would dwarf others significantly and would wield considerably more power. I would instead say that a country gets to send one representative for each state/province it has. For instance, the United States would be able to send 52 representatives, as it has 52 (I believe this was established in a TNG episode). While this would still throw the balance in favor of the larger countries, it wouldn't be as large a disparity if population was the deciding factor.LRT said:
My version of a United Earth government would be a weak federalist government.
Pre-existing nations would remain and would continue to exercise primary power over strictly internal matters. The UE government's powers, which would be enumerated in a constitution, would cover planet-wide issue, common defense and external relations with other planets.
I would propose a bicameral legislature, with the lower house directly elected within each nation with the number of representatives based on the population of the country. This house would have final authority over budgets and general legislation. The upper house would contain one representative for each nation, selected according to the preference of each nation (i.e. some nations may appoint a representative, some may elect the representative in a national election, while others might have a president or other head of state serve as the representative). The upper house's concurrence would be needed to sign treaties, declare war and appoint senior officials.
As for the head of state, I would adopt the EU model of the rotating presidency, with each nation's head of state serving a fixed term as planetary head of state. The head of government would be general secretary, who would elected by majorities in both houses of the legislature. Statutory cabinet offices would include secretaries or ministers of defense, external affairs, trade and economic development, science and technology and exploration.
The planetary constitution would guarantee civil liberties for all citizens of Earth and preserve the authority of national governments over internal matters. It would also prohibit the UE's joint defense forces from deployment on Earth and would prevent their use against any nation on Earth.
My reasoning for using states/provinces instead of population is because you'd have to have a massive chamber for all these representatives to meet in. Let's not forget that LRT also said this would be a bicameral legislature, one house is elected based on population (or in my view, the number of states/provinces it has) while the other house is elected based on equality.Sci said:
Braxton said:
There is a problem with using population as a way to determine how many representatives a country is allowed to have in the House of Representatives. Some countries would dwarf others significantly and would wield considerably more power. I would instead say that a country gets to send one representative for each state/province it has. For instance, the United States would be able to send 52 representatives, as it has 52 (I believe this was established in a TNG episode). While this would still throw the balance in favor of the larger countries, it wouldn't be as large a disparity if population was the deciding factor.LRT said:
My version of a United Earth government would be a weak federalist government.
Pre-existing nations would remain and would continue to exercise primary power over strictly internal matters. The UE government's powers, which would be enumerated in a constitution, would cover planet-wide issue, common defense and external relations with other planets.
I would propose a bicameral legislature, with the lower house directly elected within each nation with the number of representatives based on the population of the country. This house would have final authority over budgets and general legislation. The upper house would contain one representative for each nation, selected according to the preference of each nation (i.e. some nations may appoint a representative, some may elect the representative in a national election, while others might have a president or other head of state serve as the representative). The upper house's concurrence would be needed to sign treaties, declare war and appoint senior officials.
As for the head of state, I would adopt the EU model of the rotating presidency, with each nation's head of state serving a fixed term as planetary head of state. The head of government would be general secretary, who would elected by majorities in both houses of the legislature. Statutory cabinet offices would include secretaries or ministers of defense, external affairs, trade and economic development, science and technology and exploration.
The planetary constitution would guarantee civil liberties for all citizens of Earth and preserve the authority of national governments over internal matters. It would also prohibit the UE's joint defense forces from deployment on Earth and would prevent their use against any nation on Earth.
Of course, there's a school of thought that says that it's perfectly fair for a political subdivision with a large population to have a proportionately larger say in the runnings of its central government -- because, after all, if everyone's votes are equal, why should a subdivision with only 2,000,000 people have the same say in the affairs of the central government as a subdivision with 25,000,000?
On the other hand, there's the philosophy that says that all the subdivisions ought to be treated equally.
And then there's of course the famous compromise the US uses -- both! Population for chamber of the legislature, and equality for the other.
This is an excellent point. Somehow it would be stated in negotiations of unification that nations cannot create new states/provinces. At the time of discussing using this as a means to elect reps to this house, every nation would have to agree that no new states/provinces could be created. What they have is what they will have to use.^ I can see both schools of thought on the issue of how representation should be determined. Therefore said:^ I can see both schools of thought on the issue of how representation should be determined. Therefore, I tend to think that the US compromise of using both methods in a two chamber legislature is a good one. Now, let's not even get started on the debate of electoral college vs. popular vote.
Also, if it was done strictly on the basis of one representative per political subdivision, then what's to stop nations from creating as many different subdivisions as they want in order to gain more representation? Granted, our current United States Constitution would make it difficult (okay, impossible) to just, say, divide California into two separate states, but there are plenty of nations where that could be done and they could just double their number of subdivisions.
CoveTom said:
^ I can see both schools of thought on the issue of how representation should be determined. Therefore, I tend to think that the US compromise of using both methods in a two chamber legislature is a good one. Now, let's not even get started on the debate of electoral college vs. popular vote.
Also, if it was done strictly on the basis of one representative per political subdivision, then what's to stop nations from creating as many different subdivisions as they want in order to gain more representation?
LRT said:
Interesting. It certainly sounds like you've put the pieces together to fit what's known or been implied about the UE government in Star Trek.
I like your reasoning for placing the capital in Mogadishu. It makes sense, for just the reasons you gave. In my own mind, however, I've always pictured the capital of my vision of a United Earth being on a space station in Earth orbit. Of course, various ministries would be located in various cities on Earth (as Star Fleet was depicted as being headquartered in San Francisco in Star Trek).
Also, while Star Trek has always implied at least that there is a President of Earth, I would personally prefer a rotating presidency (modeled on the EU). So, the location of the presidential administration would move from national capital to national capital as the presidency itself moved.
Sci said:
Thanks for the kind words. I like the idea of a space station as capital, except -- well, it's a bit impractical. It'd be a security nightmare, it'd be hard to keep supplied, and it would make the government very removed from the populace.
Sci said:
I've never understood the virtue of rotating executives within a unified state. Rotating executives make sense in an alliance or organization of co-equal states, but for one politically unified state, rotating executives just make it harder for the government to function, and are undemocratic.
I suppose I can see the virtue of a rotating presidency in a parliamentary system where the presidency is mostly ceremonial -- but even there, it just seems disturbingly undemocratic to me.
LRT said:
Sci said:
I've never understood the virtue of rotating executives within a unified state. Rotating executives make sense in an alliance or organization of co-equal states, but for one politically unified state, rotating executives just make it harder for the government to function, and are undemocratic.
I suppose I can see the virtue of a rotating presidency in a parliamentary system where the presidency is mostly ceremonial -- but even there, it just seems disturbingly undemocratic to me.
I guess I like the idea of a rotating presidency because I do see the UE - at least my "ideal version" of it - as more of an alliance or confederation than a unitary state. In my view, the powers of the UE would be limited to strictly planet-wide and extraterrestrial issues; the pre-existing national governments would retain significant power and authority.
LRT said:
I guess I'm showing my political philosophy, but I've always had concerns about government power concentrated too far from the people - I tend to want to give more power to local governments and less to national or multi-national governments.
LRT said:
My version of a United Earth government would be a weak federalist government.
Pre-existing nations would remain and would continue to exercise primary power over strictly internal matters. The UE government's powers, which would be enumerated in a constitution, would cover planet-wide issue, common defense and external relations with other planets.
I would propose a bicameral legislature, with the lower house directly elected within each nation with the number of representatives based on the population of the country. This house would have final authority over budgets and general legislation. The upper house would contain one representative for each nation, selected according to the preference of each nation (i.e. some nations may appoint a representative, some may elect the representative in a national election, while others might have a president or other head of state serve as the representative). The upper house's concurrence would be needed to sign treaties, declare war and appoint senior officials.
As for the head of state, I would adopt the EU model of the rotating presidency, with each nation's head of state serving a fixed term as planetary head of state. The head of government would be general secretary, who would elected by majorities in both houses of the legislature. Statutory cabinet offices would include secretaries or ministers of defense, external affairs, trade and economic development, science and technology and exploration.
The planetary constitution would guarantee civil liberties for all citizens of Earth and preserve the authority of national governments over internal matters. It would also prohibit the UE's joint defense forces from deployment on Earth and would prevent their use against any nation on Earth.
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