Riker is a smug ass.
Depressed Barclay
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Barclay was designed to appeal to a very specific type of Trekker. The stereotypical anti-social, nerdy, spotty kid who loved science but hated the prom etc. They knew what they were doing with him. Overall, you'd have to say he works extremely well too
But when he turned up in Voyager, I was a little disappointed that he hadn't made greater strides and was basically the same guy
Message in a bottle?
The doctor must surely have mentioned the first ever Talaxian crew member when updating Voyagers status
But when he turned up in Voyager, I was a little disappointed that he hadn't made greater strides and was basically the same guy
Message in a bottle?
The doctor must surely have mentioned the first ever Talaxian crew member when updating Voyagers status
Barclay for Good Measure
It's hard to believe Barclay is an advanced physicist schooled to be so as a starfleet cadet. He continually transmits images on his face that he is befouled or in pain or confused. It is difficult to be both confused and a physicist dealing with intricities of matter and energy and knowledges of star ship drive anti-gravity and shields. Maybe shields for him is easy? He seems to get along with women. How he does it and also be simple-minded is not too evident. Why should women follow his fancy and kneel to his desires when he seldom shows solid attributes?
It's hard to believe Barclay is an advanced physicist schooled to be so as a starfleet cadet. He continually transmits images on his face that he is befouled or in pain or confused. It is difficult to be both confused and a physicist dealing with intricities of matter and energy and knowledges of star ship drive anti-gravity and shields. Maybe shields for him is easy? He seems to get along with women. How he does it and also be simple-minded is not too evident. Why should women follow his fancy and kneel to his desires when he seldom shows solid attributes?
I think he is showing anxiety, not confusion.
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When has it ever been different?
Never. He came out of the womb that way and his no-good father laughed at his little smug face and ran off with a floozie.
Teacake, I was going to just +1 your post about him being a smug ass...
But then I saw THIS post!
And I have to say that even though I'm not a big Troi fan, I was really pleased to see that she kept up a friendship with Barclay for many years, even after that awkward Holodeck episode from years ago!
I believe she was secretly flattered by that "awkward holodeck episode".
Any one curious what sort of disaster area Pete's Sister is?
Barclay is smart, successful, has imagination and likes cats, I could totally see the guy getting dates. IRL I think the awkward holodeck thing would make him a legend among lower ranking crew members who also have frustrations with the bridge crew. People would want to get in on that program.
Unless you've got some serious form of mental roadblock, there's only so many dinner dates with supermodels you can go on before you learn to loosen up and put your best foot forward without undue anxiety. And I'm not saying all the holo-dates should fawn over the user or be instantly smitten - quite the reverse, in fact. A good training program would mix up good and terrible matches... I'm not talking Mouse's programmed date with the Woman in the Red Dress here or anything.Gaith said:If only there were some kind of... virtual reality simulation machine with AIs that could serve as instructors for, say, learning to carry on dinner date conversations. Some kind of... deck of a ship or building where this learning could occur.
Barclay is a great character and all, but his persistent social cluelessness strains credulity.
And how did that holodeck thing work out for Baracly? Not that well, sure you can go on a virtual date on a holodeck but would the program be programed to give what the usr wants ie. the perfect date?
It can take time for socially awkward people to be come comfortable with someone. But that doesn't mean they've over come their awkwardness just that they have overcome it with that person(s). For a new person the whole process of becomming comfortable around someone might begin again.
You can see him getting dates HERE on this star trek board but in the future everyone is perfect and Barclay is not perfect, he has failed to embrace his evolution. Well except for the spider incident.
Unless you've got some serious form of mental roadblock, there's only so many dinner dates with supermodels you can go on before you learn to loosen up and put your best foot forward without undue anxiety. And I'm not saying all the holo-dates should fawn over the user or be instantly smitten - quite the reverse, in fact. A good training program would mix up good and terrible matches... I'm not talking Mouse's programmed date with the Woman in the Red Dress here or anything.Gaith said:If only there were some kind of... virtual reality simulation machine with AIs that could serve as instructors for, say, learning to carry on dinner date conversations. Some kind of... deck of a ship or building where this learning could occur.
Barclay is a great character and all, but his persistent social cluelessness strains credulity.
And how did that holodeck thing work out for Baracly? Not that well, sure you can go on a virtual date on a holodeck but would the program be programed to give what the usr wants ie. the perfect date?
It can take time for socially awkward people to be come comfortable with someone. But that doesn't mean they've over come their awkwardness just that they have overcome it with that person(s). For a new person the whole process of becomming comfortable around someone might begin again.
I'm thinking when you are holo-dating a super model the play acting part puts a damper on any learning, you know it's not real and there are no stakes. So your learning to be suave on the 'deck doesn't always translate.
Guy at work got caught looking at porn while using the work computer
Everybody at work acted like...."oh my God, he looks at porn, what's wrong with him....I never look at porn....I feel disgusted by this employee...he's unnatural "
Even I had conversations of that nature (he should be sacked, the perv!)
I look at porn ALL THE TIME
That level of bullshit, social norm, hypocrisy clearly still exists in the 24th century. Reg got caught doing it at work, that's all. So now he's an addict, a freak, a weirdo, needs counselling etc
If I get good with women in my imagination, does that mean I will get good with them in real life.......boy, I hope so
Reg is a 20th century man trapped in the 24th century. It was nice to see a character like that in that world but I doubt they would actually exist. Evolved away and bettered
Everybody at work acted like...."oh my God, he looks at porn, what's wrong with him....I never look at porn....I feel disgusted by this employee...he's unnatural "
Even I had conversations of that nature (he should be sacked, the perv!)
I look at porn ALL THE TIME
That level of bullshit, social norm, hypocrisy clearly still exists in the 24th century. Reg got caught doing it at work, that's all. So now he's an addict, a freak, a weirdo, needs counselling etc
Unless you've got some serious form of mental roadblock, there's only so many dinner dates with supermodels you can go on before you learn to loosen up and put your best foot forward without undue anxiety. And I'm not saying all the holo-dates should fawn over the user or be instantly smitten - quite the reverse, in fact. A good training program would mix up good and terrible matches... I'm not talking Mouse's programmed date with the Woman in the Red Dress here or anything.
If I get good with women in my imagination, does that mean I will get good with them in real life.......boy, I hope so
Reg is a 20th century man trapped in the 24th century. It was nice to see a character like that in that world but I doubt they would actually exist. Evolved away and bettered
If I dated Barclay we could talk about Voyager all day.. and eventually I would convince him we should do some holo-s(t)imulation together with Voyager characters as the theme.
I would be his addiction downfall.
I would be his addiction downfall.
He's also 40.
30 to 40 is when all the worthwhile people who haven't fucked up their marriage yet, or they're waiting for their kids to get old before splitting, are taken and out of bounds.
40 to 50 is when about divorcees looking for divorcees, who are going no where near anyone who hasn't had their life deloused in the shitter. Only a fool or a marriage virgin marries another marriage virgin.
By the time you're in your 50s you have finally found some one who is good for you who isn't lying or you are on a dark road.
60 - 70 is when one half of many perfect couples start becoming widowed. So then it's either looking for a revolving door of lemon party fun after getting it just right, you earnt an allergy to monogamy, or that dark twisted lonely road again.
Over 80, and they let you shit in public wherever you want, which is way better than a spouse.
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The word teacake is struggling for is "enabler" or "codependent".
30 to 40 is when all the worthwhile people who haven't fucked up their marriage yet, or they're waiting for their kids to get old before splitting, are taken and out of bounds.
40 to 50 is when about divorcees looking for divorcees, who are going no where near anyone who hasn't had their life deloused in the shitter. Only a fool or a marriage virgin marries another marriage virgin.
By the time you're in your 50s you have finally found some one who is good for you who isn't lying or you are on a dark road.
60 - 70 is when one half of many perfect couples start becoming widowed. So then it's either looking for a revolving door of lemon party fun after getting it just right, you earnt an allergy to monogamy, or that dark twisted lonely road again.
Over 80, and they let you shit in public wherever you want, which is way better than a spouse.
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The word teacake is struggling for is "enabler" or "codependent".
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What is Barclay's (real world) romantic history?
I've noticed people who never had one get more and more picky as they get older with ridiculous requirements for compatibility, never looking at their own lack it in other people's eyes.
I would like to ruin Barclay, but not marry him. I need him for his holo-Voyager program and I'm pretty sure I could convince him rather quickly to alter a few parameters.
I've noticed people who never had one get more and more picky as they get older with ridiculous requirements for compatibility, never looking at their own lack it in other people's eyes.
I would like to ruin Barclay, but not marry him. I need him for his holo-Voyager program and I'm pretty sure I could convince him rather quickly to alter a few parameters.
When you go to a real-world krav maga class, you know "it's not real and there are no stakes", in the sense that you won't actually be attacked with an intent to harm, but if you take enough lessons, you'll be far better prepared to deal with a bona fide actual fistfight, should you ever find yourself in one.
Same principle here; confidence and conversation are skills that improve with practice.
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