Denise Crosby's "wave" in SYMBIOSIS (1.22) ?

[gastrof]

I've heard that since "Symbiosis" was filmed after "Skin of Evil", even tho' it aired before it, Denise's appearance in it was her last time to play Tasha (at least in the first season).

Supposedly she waved at the camera in one scene on the bridge (the last she filmed, so's to say "goodbye"), and "whoever" either didn't notice or didn't care, and so the wave ended up in the aired episode.

Does anyone know what part of the episode that wave was in? I've got the DVD ready to go, but I'm not sure about sitting thru the whole thing, only to find it was edited out by SPIKE.

Can someone point me in the right direction so I'll know where to look?

Thanks!

 

[Chris3123]

As Picard and Dr. Crusher leave the cargo bay after the Ornarans and Brekka beam back to Ornara, watch the far background (roughly between Picard/Crusher). Crosby can be seen waving vigorously as the cargo bay doors close, and later explained this was a farewell wave to the show and fans.

Wikipedia

 

[gastrof]

Thanks very much!

 

[Trekker4747]

I'm one, of few, who hates that wave.

It just looks so silly, unganagly, un-natural, and out-of-character.

THANKS Denise!

 

[Jack Bauer]

I don't like the wave either. It looked forced.

 

[Trekker4747]

It's un professional.

So, now, we have Tasha Yar goofily waving bye to Picard and Crusher for no apparent reason at all.

 

[Christopher]

Come on, it's something in the background that you'd barely even notice if you didn't know to look for it. That's no worse than the many onscreen in-jokes in the viewer graphics, like the Buckaroo Banzai and Gilligan's Island quotes on various ships' dedication plaques. You're not supposed to believe it's a "real" part of the events. Bottom line, this is a work of fiction and everyone knows that, and a performer leaving the stage is entitled to take a last bow.

 

[Therin of Andor]

gastrof said:
and "whoever" either didn't notice or didn't care, and so the wave ended up in the aired episode.

It was the editors who didn't notice. Denise Crosby probably assumed they'd use a different take.

 

[Trekker4747]

Christopher said:
Come on, it's something in the background that you'd barely even notice if you didn't know to look for it. That's no worse than the many onscreen in-jokes in the viewer graphics, like the Buckaroo Banzai and Gilligan's Island quotes on various ships' dedication plaques. You're not supposed to believe it's a "real" part of the events. Bottom line, this is a work of fiction and everyone knows that, and a performer leaving the stage is entitled to take a last bow.

The difference is the hidden gags in okudagrams, plaques, and door signage is all but impossible to see on screen. It's there as "filler" text and nothing more. It shouldn't be taken anymore seriously than if they used "klzgflsagja'."

But the thing with Denise is VERY visible and to boot unprofessional.

 

[tomalak301]

It was very odd and seemed really bad in the episode context.

 

[DonIago]

Given that it was never intended to be considered "part of the episode", and given that Denise was leaving the show, I'm willing to begrudge her the wave, unprofessional or not.

Heck, I might have tried to get away with it myself had I been in her place, especially given it was the first season of TNG. Who knew whether the show would even be successful?

 

[od0_ital]

DonIago said:
... Who knew whether the show would even be successful?

Well, obviously Denise Crosby didn't have a clue.

As for the wave, it doesn't matter. I didn't notice it the first time I watched the episode as a kid, when it originally aired, and even now, I have to look for it if I popped in the DVD (which I've actually done, for that purpose).

 

[sbk1234]

DonIago said:
Given that it was never intended to be considered "part of the episode", and given that Denise was leaving the show, I'm willing to begrudge her the wave, unprofessional or not.

I wonder if other producers of potential other jobs noticed it and didn't like it. A "little goof" like that can potentially cost a production thousands of dollars. Last scene on the show or not, it was a poor judgement to make. I suppose, considering all of her work since TNG - especially all of the non-Trek stuff - nobody cared...

 

[DonIago]

Do we have it on record that nobody noticed, as opposed to people noticing but being okay with it? TPTB being okay with it is admittedly a different scenario than TPTB being advised of it after the fact.

I agree with sbk that if other producers considered what she did unprofessional, and outside the context of the episode I agree it may not have been the smartest thing to have done, it could have affected her career.

Then again, when you see the kinds of things that end up on movie DVD blooper reels...

 

[Jon1701]

Given Rick Bermans dislike for bloopers and deleted scenes, I doubt they knew about it.

That said, he wasnt the sole showrunner at this point so you never know. You got the impression she was well liked, and they did let her out of her contract when they didnt really have to...

 

[Saxman1]

od0_ital said:

DonIago said:
... Who knew whether the show would even be successful?

Well, obviously Denise Crosby didn't have a clue.

As for the wave, it doesn't matter. I didn't notice it the first time I watched the episode as a kid, when it originally aired, and even now, I have to look for it if I popped in the DVD (which I've actually done, for that purpose).

I've seen the ep several time, including first run and never seen the wave. Don't care about it or Crosby - she was lame.

 

[Therin of Andor]

DonIago said:
Do we have it on record that nobody noticed, as opposed to people noticing but being okay with it? TPTB being okay with it is admittedly a different scenario than TPTB being advised of it after the fact.

I'd seen the episode many, many times and never noticed it. Most fans don't even know that the two final Crosby episodes were filmed out of screening order, so noone was looking for this kind of thing in first-run.

Then "the wave" got mentioned in "The Nitpickers' Guide for Next Generation Fans", or some other episode guide and I was disbelieving... until I ran the episode again.

It is not noticable to most casual viewers, unless they're told to watch for it - and Denise herself, in interviews, has said she didn't think it would even end up in the sequence they chose to edit into the scene. Yes, it's on record that noone noticed and/or thought it would be noticed.

There's a handbag sitting on the bridge in another episode, and a wardrobe person sitting in a corner or a corridor in another! Noone also noticed the guy with a camera accidentally reflected in the silvery vase in "Unification". Ditto the crewman pushing the Vejur light pole in TMP. Noone was supposed to slo-mo TMP and catch the images of Miss Piggy and Darth Vader, deliberately created in lights, in Spock's visor in TMP, either.

Hey, did you know they also took production stills of Yar wearing a black mourning veil, just for fun - and then someone ended up using that still on the front cover of the international VHS release of "Skin of Evil"?! Similarly, a set still of Data with visiting Tibetan monks turned up on the cover of the first VHS of Season Three!

Fun things happen on TV and film sets. Not all in-jokes are ever discovered, and not all of them are ever meant to be noticed. Were you also concerned about an action figure of a Talosian in two VOY episodes set in the late 20th century? Or hieroglyphics of R2D2 and C-3PO clearly visible in "Raiders of the Lost Ark"?

 

[DonIago]

Great, now I need to watch RotLA again... not that that's such a bad thing.

 

[Tosk]

The idea that Crosby lost potential work because she broke character during one take on a TV show is laughable.

Seriously, does no one else see how silly that is?

She didn't get a lot of work after TNG for one simple reason...sometimes actors have trouble finding work. It's just a fact of life. Just ask any waitress in L.A.

 

[Jack Bauer]

I noticed the wave the first time I saw the episode.