Deep Space 9 in the 24 century

[Evil Ezri]

Deep Space 9 in the 25 century

When TOS ended in the 1960’s it was not until the 1990’s before we had TNG with a new starship and crew seventy years after Kirk and gang left into retirement. Since Deep Space 9 was in the 2370’s would a Deep Space 9 movie would be interesting if it was in the 2400’s or 2410’s?

It would be interesting, just that, would not the first few season have to define the decades of the 2380’s, 2390’s all the way to the present year of the series. Second, number of the characters of DS9 would and should still be alive. So, is it a practical idea to have a series based on a later date of Deep Space 9?

 

[doctorfoto]

It would be interesting - to us anyway. Not sure how appealing non-Trek fans would find it.

Using real-world logic, I would wonder how interesting that region of space would be after 30 years. Bajor would surely be a Federation member by then. Cardassia would be back on its feet, quite possibly due to the assistance of the Federation and Bajor, so the threat they posed would likely be diminished. Which leaves the Wormhole. A Dominion resurgence and counterattack would be an interesting way to go - but it's the only interesting direction I can think of based only on the knowledge of 'current' 2370s events depicted in the series.

As for the regulars, while I imagine that they'd still be busy in their lives, I can't imagine the bulk of them still living on the station for what would have been close to 40 years by then. One or two perhaps (I could see Bashir and certainly Quark still remaining) but many others I would see moving on.

(Also, I'll point out that the 2400s and on would be the 25th Century)

 

[DevilEyes]

When TOS ended in the 1960’s it was not until the 1990’s before we had TNG with a new starship and crew seventy years after Kirk and gang left into retirement. Since Deep Space 9 was in the 2370’s would a Deep Space 9 movie would be interesting if it was in the 2400’s or 2410’s?

It would be interesting, just that, would not the first few season have to define the decades of the 2380’s, 2390’s all the way to the present year of the series. Second, number of the characters of DS9 would and should still be alive. So, is it a practical idea to have a series based on a later date of Deep Space 9?

If there were to be a continuation of DS9, it would have to be just a few years after the events of WYLB. Why would anyone want to set it 40 years later? TOS crew continued their adventures in 10 years, or less if you count TAS. TNG crew continued their adventures shortly after the end of the series.

I don't see what this has to do with the number of years that passed in real life between the making of TOS and TNG? These are different characters, separated from each other by an entire century.

 

[Evil Ezri]

Sure, DS9 could be about the 2380's, the 2390's, the 2400's and into the 2410's. The reason I have rejected the 2380's is the fact that DS9 came to an end in 1999 and now were only days away from 2010. Since so many years have gone past the cast of DS9 has gotten older. So the problem with a 2380's DS9 it would beg to have say Ezri Dax (DeBoer) to make a small bit part or the other cast members.

So, at best around the 2390's would be an idea still I see since DS9 was in the 20th century that it does beg a turn of the century for DS9 as well.

 

[doctorfoto]

You know, I would actually be on board with something set in the 2380s, mainly BECAUSE we're that far away from the series and the actors would be realistically aged. Would they be on board with it? Absolutely. What else are they really doing now that would make them refuse a bit of nostalgia?

If they could get the Original Series cast back for movies 10 years later, you could do the same with DS9. But that sadly is the trick. With the popularity of the new Star Trek film, a film with the DS9 cast would be unlikely and few networks, let alone Paramount would pick up an expensive sci-fi series that's already run it's course. Our best hope would be Direct to Video feature(s), possibly animated, to save on production costs, as most of the sets and props are no more. Admittedly however even that would be a long shot in my opinion.

 

[DevilEyes]

Sure, DS9 could be about the 2380's, the 2390's, the 2400's and into the 2410's. The reason I have rejected the 2380's is the fact that DS9 came to an end in 1999 and now were only days away from 2010. Since so many years have gone past the cast of DS9 has gotten older. So the problem with a 2380's DS9 it would beg to have say Ezri Dax (DeBoer) to make a small bit part or the other cast members.

So, at best around the 2390's would be an idea still I see since DS9 was in the 20th century that it does beg a turn of the century for DS9 as well.

I don't really understand your reasoning. It's been just 10 years. Why would the characters be older than that? TOS movies stopped being made when the cast got a bit too old, as it happens with franchises... I've never heard of a franchise trying to make an aging cast look older than they are. You could perhaps get away with some people looking younger than they should be and explain it through alleged slower aging rate of some alien races. But how would you explain O'Brien, Bashir or Jake looking decades younger than their alleged age? And why make them all older in the first place?

Besides, I'd be much more interested to see what happens right after the end of the Dominion war - Cardassia being rebuilt, Bajor deciding whether to join Federation, Federation recovering from the war, than see them all decades later when all this would be more or less a thing of the past.

I don't see the significance of the turn of the century.

 

[Evil Ezri]

I don't really understand your reasoning. It's been just 10 years. Why would the characters be older than that? TOS movies stopped being made when the cast got a bit too old, as it happens with franchises... I've never heard of a franchise trying to make an aging cast look older than they are. You could perhaps get away with some people looking younger than they should be and explain it through alleged slower aging rate of some alien races. But how would you explain O'Brien, Bashir or Jake looking decades younger than their alleged age? And why make them all older in the first place?

Besides, I'd be much more interested to see what happens right after the end of the Dominion war - Cardassia being rebuilt, Bajor deciding whether to join Federation, Federation recovering from the war, than see them all decades later when all this would be more or less a thing of the past.

I don't see the significance of the turn of the century.

Let us look at Ezri Dax the real woman that was born in December 1970 and was only 28 and 29 during the series and now that she is going to turn 40 years old in 2010. Sure I would love to see a DS9 right after the war. The point is, the woman has now aged and does not look like a young woman in her twenties.
In fact, I would have loved to see a Season 8 and Season 9 as I felt that would be very interesting. Still, DS9 when it first started was only going to run for six seasons, and that was the reason that Jadzia Dax left the show because she was tired of the series. In fact, the rest of the characters were willing to be around for an extra season. If there was really a Season 8, I am not sure but I feel that as much as half of the characters would have gone the same root as Terry (Jadzia Dax).

If there was a DS9 right after the ending of DS9 and still be in the late 2370’s going into the 2380’s. The fans and the show would be screaming to have a former character to be a regular with some former characters to become guest stars. So, with the last time I recall Kira and Ezri were going to stay on the station. So, would these women really be interested in a new series dated in the 2370’s?

 

[doctorfoto]

Just for fun, let's assume that Paramount at least green lights a DS9 Direct-to-Video with a feature set 10 years after WYLB. The characters would look their ages. Would Nana Visitor be on board? I've heard several comments from her stating that she thought the show could have gone longer. I bet she'd be on board. The only thing I would think keeping her from doing so would if the possibility of working with her ex, Alexander Siddig, was an issue (which I would doubt, honestly).

deBoer would do it... Sure, why not? If you've seen recent pictures of her she still looks fantastic. Thirty-nine is certainly not old. And everyone else wouldn't look much older wearing all that makeup anyway.

That said, are you suggesting a series in which the station is turned over to a completely new cast, with a cameo by one or two of the original cast members in the pilot, as McCoy did in TNG's launch?

 

[Evil Ezri]

That said, are you suggesting a series in which the station is turned over to a completely new cast, with a cameo by one or two of the original cast members in the pilot, as McCoy did in TNG's launch?

In my judgment. Think that a new DS9 would have to have a new cast with a few original cast members that makes very small guest roles.

Lets say the new DS9 starts in 2010 and runs till 2016 with seven seasons. If we use the characters from the old show, you would being seeing character age from 1993 to 2016.

So yes, I think you would need new characters.

 

[DevilEyes]

Just for fun, let's assume that Paramount at least green lights a DS9 Direct-to-Video with a feature set 10 years after WYLB. The characters would look their ages. Would Nana Visitor be on board? I've heard several comments from her stating that she thought the show could have gone longer. I bet she'd be on board. The only thing I would think keeping her from doing so would if the possibility of working with her ex, Alexander Siddig, was an issue (which I would doubt, honestly).

From what I've heard, they were friends before they hooked up, and remained friends after the divorce, so I don't believe they would have any problems working together.

I don't understand the aging issue here. If you set the TV movie or show 10 years after the ending of DS9 (around 2386), the actors would be the perfect age to play the characters. Why would you want to set it 20 or more years later (2390s, turn of the century)? You'd have to use aging makeup and make your cast look older than they are - and why would you want to do that?

That said, are you suggesting a series in which the station is turned over to a completely new cast, with a cameo by one or two of the original cast members in the pilot, as McCoy did in TNG's launch?

In my judgment. Think that a new DS9 would have to have a new cast with a few original cast members that makes very small guest roles.

Lets say the new DS9 starts in 2010 and runs till 2016 with seven seasons. If we use the characters from the old show, you would being seeing character age from 1993 to 2016.

So yes, I think you would need new characters.

In other words, you want a completely new show, not DS9.

"DS9: The Next Generation"?

 

[Evil Ezri]

"DS9: The Next Generation"

In all practical terms that is more practical.

 

[Jono]

In other words, you want a completely new show, not DS9.

"DS9: The Next Generation"?

These days to be cool it would have to be nuDS9.

 

[doctorfoto]

Okay so let's say, again for fun, for all practical purposes nuDS9 or whatever gets approved by the studio...

Using in universe logic - would the station still BE there and STILL be used by Starfleet? Bajor had ALMOST reached Federation membership by the end of the Dominion War (I would say it was likely granted it immediately following, considering) The station itself was a fixer-upper at best when OUR crew first moved in. With Bajor now being a major Federation player next to such a strategic place as the Bajoran Wormhole, it would logically make sense that the Feds finally replace the old Cardie mining station with a major Starbase and park it right outside the Wormhole.

Thinking in terms of production, with the original sets all destroyed, they may as well build something new anyway. In 80 years, we saw 4 Generations of Enterprise, so in 30 or 40 we should see at least the next iteration of starbase in the area.

 

[Evil Ezri]

Yes what to do with the old station as I am sure Bajor would join the Federation right after the war. Since the Wormhole is important, feel there may be more than a single starbase. Maybe the old station is done away in the same style as Battlestar Galactica.

My idea, have Odo be the only person on the station as it gets burned up in the star.

 

[DevilEyes]

In other words, you want a completely new show, not DS9.

"DS9: The Next Generation"?

These days to be cool it would have to be nuDS9.

I get that this is a joke, but there is absolutely no need for any "nuDS9" and the idea to make one wouldn't make sense. Maybe in 20 or 30 years from now, but certainly not in 2009 or 2010. Every show that that got reimagined in the last decade was at least 25, 30 or 40 years old, and, more importantly, dated. Star Trek TOS is not outdated in the sense that it can't watched and appreciated today, but it clearly feels like a 1960s show - in its effects, makeup, sets, some of the acting, and some of the writing (particularly the sexism present in quite a few episodes). And of course, the original cast are either dead, or too old to play active Starfleet members. Neither of these is the case with DS9. It's been just 10 years since the end of the show, the cast are not too old, and the show feels very contemporary - it could have been made in 2009.