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Death wish

LOL! I think it shows that the proposition should have never been mentioned because I think with what Janeway had been through why wouldn't she at least consider it. I'm in the camp where I strongly felt Q should've never been re-introduced on Voyager, but the show was getting deep into desperate fan service.
 
I mean...Vash didn't seem to mind her time with Q so much...

If I was faced with the choice of sleeping with someone I didn't personally care for (but seriously, you could do a lot worse than Q) to better the lives of 150 people (more if you include family and friends of the crew)? I'd at least give it some serious consideration.

If that's prostitution? Well, there are worse things to be than a one-time whore.
 
Have we forgotten? Les besoins de beaucoup l'emportent sur les besoins de quelques-uns ou de l'un. The needs of many outweigh the needs of the few or one. Star Trek has an entire history of flings, but a Captain should be thinking of the safety and wellness of his or her crew. I doubt you would find offense if the offer was proposed by a woman towards a man. Getting them home with less casualties was Janeway's goal.

Oh I know the proverb very well but I could quote too "Nous sommes ce que nous prétendons être, alors nous devons faire attention à ce que nous prétendons être" from Kurt Vonnegut ("We are what we pretend to be, so we must be careful what we pretend to be" from Kurt Vonnegut) but my favourite is: "Sois fort pour que personne ne te détruise. Sois noble pour que personne ne t’humilie. Sois humble pour que personne ne t’offense, mais surtout, sois toi-même pour que personne ne t’oublie» ("Be strong so nobody will detroy you, be noble so nobody will humiliate you, be humble so nobody will offense you but above all, be yourself so nobody will forget you")

Again, Janeway had maybe many flaws for some people here but generally, she is still considered as a smart, loyal, caring, proud and courageous Captain because as a woman, she shares the same qualities. That's why her people admire her so much and would be ready to blindly follow her everywhere. Keeping her crew together and bring it at home was her only goal from the beginning and to reach it, she sacrificed body (not in sleeping with the enemy but by placing herself on the first line to save her fellows, what has often led her to be treated for her injuries - how many times did she die? 3-4 times?) and soul (she is the one who took the decision which brought Voyager in the DQ, she is the one who sometimes made a deal with the devil to save her troop and finally, even if a great majority of her people will go home safe and sound, thirty of them have died during the journey, under her command and all this guilt, she will carry it until the end). So no, I think she gave enough of herself for not having to prostitute herself in addition! :whistle:

Plus, no matter the gender, male or female prostitution is degrading and humiliating and people who are forced to sleep with strangers to survive and/or to offer to their families a better life, suffer from this experience all their lives, physically and
psychologically.

And to end, ST: Voyager 1) was supposed to be a family program, even if it has been heavily sexualized with the arrival of Seven from S4 so, I don't think that seeing Janeway having ravenous sex with a guy who is know to behave cad/jerk would look great! :whistle::guffaw:; 2) if Q has accepted to bring Voyager and her crew at home after having sex with Janeway, we would have missed some great moments, right?! :p

As for James Kirk, so he could have a good time with women, he seemed content. Good for him but was he happier at the end of the day? :shrug:
 
I agree with you we would've missed some moments, but if Janeway made a heavy hearted thought about it, based on what she knew of her adventures so far by "Death Wish" would it had demean her to even consider it? For Janeway it would be a choice and she wouldn't be forced to do anything she didn't want to do. Women have the right to sleep with anyone they want to and it wouldn't be called prostitution, but to whoever's point of view it may or may not counter their ethics. It's not as if Q publicly had this conversation nor did he said the sexual encounter would be for public view. Also you're not considering the fact we've already seen a Q sexual encounter in "The Q and the Grey" where the intercourse was as simple as the touch of a finger.
 
...if Janeway made a heavy hearted thought about it, based on what she knew of her adventures so far by "Death Wish" would it had demean her to even consider it?
No and that actually would make for an interesting ep, if her contemplation over the proposal was psychologically examined in a meaningful way.
 
I have to say I found the unanimous support of the crew in "The '37s" nice but a little hard to swallow. I really would have liked to see a bit more dissension, and if they had made Q's offer a matter of public debate...which I'm not sure I could see Janeway doing...then I'd have at least wanted to see somebody say "Hey Captain, how about taking one for the team?"
 
I have to say I found the unanimous support of the crew in "The '37s" nice but a little hard to swallow. I really would have liked to see a bit more dissension, and if they had made Q's offer a matter of public debate...which I'm not sure I could see Janeway doing...then I'd have at least wanted to see somebody say "Hey Captain, how about taking one for the team?"
I think in the 37s they hadn't been in the Delta Quadrant for that long yet and were still hopeful about finding a shortcut. If the same situation had come up in season 6 there may have been a very different outcome
 
Assuming the Q exist outside of time-I took it to mean humans specifically the federation would not have a presence in the DQ until the late 25th century-or at least that is what Q believed either Delancie's Q or the Q as a whole.

The novelverse and STO seem to show Voyager as a trailblazer of sorts-and federation exploration is already happening 7-8 years after Voyager returned.

Even if one doesn't take those sources Q was incorrect.

He was also asking if Quinn was responsible for sending them there-in essence was he violating the timeline or otherwise the history of the universe something Q would have been obligated to reverse-Quinn assured that Voyager's presence in the DQ wasn't because of him and Q seemed to acknowledge it.
 
The Q aren't omnipotent. Omnipotent beings don't get surprised when someone punches them in the face.

Q is basing his "not for a 100 years" comment on the Federation's current rate of expansion and likely tech developments, not any future knowledge.
 
You're confusing omnipotence with omniscience...

Unless we want to tackle the philosophical question of whether an omnipotent being must be de facto omniscient...
 
The Q aren't omniscient-and I don't recall them ever claiming to be in either TNG, DS9, or Voyager. Though it probably suits them just fine to let everyone else think they are.
 
I do think that omnipotence (a logical contradiction by itself) would include the power to know everything, so it would include omniscience (unless the omnipotent entity chooses not to know everything).

Regardless, of this episode, I always liked Tuvok's oneliner

"And you find nothing contradictory in a society that outlaws suicide but practices capital punishment?"
 
The Q, or at least Quinn, do not claim to be omnipotent.

QUINN: But you mustn't think of us as omnipotent, no matter what the Continuum would like you to believe. You and your ship seem incredibly powerful to lifeforms without your technical expertise. It's no different with us. We may appear omnipotent to you, but believe me, we're not.
 
I have to say I found the unanimous support of the crew in "The '37s" nice but a little hard to swallow. I really would have liked to see a bit more dissension, and if they had made Q's offer a matter of public debate...which I'm not sure I could see Janeway doing...then I'd have at least wanted to see somebody say "Hey Captain, how about taking one for the team?"
Making it public would scream controversial but based upon it's premise it would be in line where the Captain has do some cavalier steps to getting home, also the show should've dug in more it was her decision the crew is stuck there.
 
She wouldn't be the first starfleet captain Q slept with
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I have to say I found the unanimous support of the crew in "The '37s" nice but a little hard to swallow. I really would have liked to see a bit more dissension, and if they had made Q's offer a matter of public debate...which I'm not sure I could see Janeway doing...then I'd have at least wanted to see somebody say "Hey Captain, how about taking one for the team?"
Oh dear, your post sounds to me like not only might you see it possible for her consideration of Q's proposal for her to have his baby to be a group discussion, but also someone might've told her to do it against her objection? Please let me know I'm misunderstanding?
 
It was the poster above me who brought up the notion of a public discussion. Of course, in "The Child" the senior officers discuss Troi's alien baby, so it's not like there isn't precedent for this sort of thing.

Janeway was the captain, in any case, so the only way anyone could have "told her to do it against her objection" would likely involve coercion, and I can't say I can imagine Our Heroes going that far with it.

Now, if Seska or Jonas were still around...
 
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