In Tin Man the Enterprise got crippled by the Tin Man itself, and the Warbird was destroyed for being too close when it's defense mechanism was activated.
D'deridex class Warbird vs Galaxy class
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Yes, but it didn't help that they lost 70% of their shields after just a few seconds.
Shield loss is indeed usually more gradual, but "two shots to zero" isn't all that different from the "five shots to zero" of the tiny NOMAD or the "three shots to zero" of the Borg. And how many shots did Chang really get off before the E-A lost shields over Khitomer? Despite having to space out his shots for stealth.
Our heroes don't typically appear flabbergasted when just a handful of attack runs reduce their defenses to nil. "Prolonged slugfests" is the impression we get from watching TNG, yes - but we often forget the E-D tended to fight grossly inferior opponents (which also explains why Picard wasn't particularly worried about firing back or things of that nature).
Timo Saloniemi
Our heroes don't typically appear flabbergasted when just a handful of attack runs reduce their defenses to nil. "Prolonged slugfests" is the impression we get from watching TNG, yes - but we often forget the E-D tended to fight grossly inferior opponents (which also explains why Picard wasn't particularly worried about firing back or things of that nature).
Timo Saloniemi
I never got the impression the Enterprise-A had shields. I mean, what was the point of shields, to protect the hull. Well the Enterprise-A's "shields" didn't do a good job at that.
Each time I see this size comparison of Andrew Probert I can't help but wonder: Was the Romulan Warbird this big in size to actually accomodate personnel and cargo or was it basically full of "hot air" to make an intimidating impression on any adversary of the Romulan Star Empire?
Bob
Bob
Perhaps the D'deridex was made so large due to the fact the Bird-of-prey classes from TOS and ENT don't exaclty have the most intimidating design......
Some of my favorite TNG eps involve the standoffs between D'deridex and E-D, whether or not any shots were fired. The intimidation factor was very real, and IMO the driving force behind the in-universe design.
Probably so. I remember the first time I saw that debut episode for the D'deridex, it was indeed an intimidating ship.
More powerful? I'd say that they are even, more dependent on the officers and crew for that. Or the situation.
Larger? Definately the D'deridex.
Faster? Galaxy is far faster.
Yes, I've read the entire thread, alot of good stuff here. Thought I'd anser your original question kgartm.
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Beware the 'scary' D'deridex.
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Are Romulan rooms and space area's larger then Federation?
I always thought that it seemed like the actual volume of their room designs seemed to be bigger. Their ceilings were higher and just had more volume to them. Where ours seemed to be more compact to save space compared to theirs.
I've never really paid that much attention honestly so I could be wrong.
I always thought that it seemed like the actual volume of their room designs seemed to be bigger. Their ceilings were higher and just had more volume to them. Where ours seemed to be more compact to save space compared to theirs.
I've never really paid that much attention honestly so I could be wrong.
It does look as if there's more headroom and shoulder room in the corridors of "Improbable Cause"/"The Die is Cast" than aboard the E-D or the Defiant or the other Fed ships using those sets - but the lounge and interrogation room on the Romulan ship don't appear all that imposing. The bridges from DS9 and TNG are all rather spacious, that is, sparsely decorated, and the cargo hold in "Face of the Enemy" is shot from an angle that emphasizes ceiling height.
Is that just because the Romulans can afford the legroom in a ship built at larger-than-necessary size? Or do Romulans and Vulcanoids in general suffer from claustrophobia more easily or severely than humans? We have seen Vulcans operate a tiny vessel for an extended length of time, in "Carbon Creek", but perhaps that's only possible with Surakian self-discipline, and the average passionate Vulcanoid will start tal'shayaing his or her neighbors in no time flat if not given enough lebensraum...
Timo Saloniemi
Is that just because the Romulans can afford the legroom in a ship built at larger-than-necessary size? Or do Romulans and Vulcanoids in general suffer from claustrophobia more easily or severely than humans? We have seen Vulcans operate a tiny vessel for an extended length of time, in "Carbon Creek", but perhaps that's only possible with Surakian self-discipline, and the average passionate Vulcanoid will start tal'shayaing his or her neighbors in no time flat if not given enough lebensraum...
Timo Saloniemi
Captain Koloth claimed Klingons didn't equip their battlecruisers with "non-essentials", yet that didn't keep the Romulans from using these ships in "The Enterprise Incident".
What about the portholes of the warbird's head section? Surely these could give us an idea of average deck height (the Probert warbird size would probably set the upper limit).
On one hand the Romulans could have chosen the large size to intimidate possible opponents (reputation + size = respect), but in case that fails the warbird has plenty of surface you shouldn't find too difficult to hit.
Admittedly, the warp engines aren't nearly as exposed as on a Federation or Klingon ship, and surely the "turtle shell" on top and bottom provides a mechanical blast shield to some extent.
Speculating what a Romulan warbird of 2344 or earlier could have looked like, I wonder if at one stage in the design evolution a warbird resembled more the XCV-330 ringship Enterprise, so what we saw in 2364 for the first time was the latest design evolution of what may have started as a ringship design?
Bob
What about the portholes of the warbird's head section? Surely these could give us an idea of average deck height (the Probert warbird size would probably set the upper limit).
On one hand the Romulans could have chosen the large size to intimidate possible opponents (reputation + size = respect), but in case that fails the warbird has plenty of surface you shouldn't find too difficult to hit.
Admittedly, the warp engines aren't nearly as exposed as on a Federation or Klingon ship, and surely the "turtle shell" on top and bottom provides a mechanical blast shield to some extent.
Speculating what a Romulan warbird of 2344 or earlier could have looked like, I wonder if at one stage in the design evolution a warbird resembled more the XCV-330 ringship Enterprise, so what we saw in 2364 for the first time was the latest design evolution of what may have started as a ringship design?
Bob
The upper and lower hulls of the warbird don't really seem to be part of a propulsion ring - they are just structures connecting to the nacelles. No onscreen ringship design has featured engine nacelles, even if some unused ENT sketches do suggest such combinations...
True enough - but this Romulan design, like so many others, seems pretty good from the frontal aspect minimizing standpoint. Fed ships are good in that sense, too, and similarly present big targets from above or below.
The ENT Vulcan ringships with their needle bodies have the smallest profiles overall, with special emphasis on frontal profile minimizing but with extra challenges for anybody trying to aim at their sides, too. This is probably better in combat than using spherical ships that in theory would have the smallest target profile overall; spheres are good if you can't maneuver and expect to be besieged from many directions, but any maneuverability makes it more advantageous to build ships with at least one "maximally minimized" aspect accompanied by a couple of compromises.
Timo Saloniemi
True enough - but this Romulan design, like so many others, seems pretty good from the frontal aspect minimizing standpoint. Fed ships are good in that sense, too, and similarly present big targets from above or below.
The ENT Vulcan ringships with their needle bodies have the smallest profiles overall, with special emphasis on frontal profile minimizing but with extra challenges for anybody trying to aim at their sides, too. This is probably better in combat than using spherical ships that in theory would have the smallest target profile overall; spheres are good if you can't maneuver and expect to be besieged from many directions, but any maneuverability makes it more advantageous to build ships with at least one "maximally minimized" aspect accompanied by a couple of compromises.
Timo Saloniemi
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