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Spoilers DC's Legends of Tomorrow - Season 3

Jayson1 said:
Was Arthur Darvill ahead of the credits in season 1?
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No, Victor Garber was first-billed from the start. Darvill may have been "big" in the UK, but he was fairly new to US TV.

Assuming IMDb's listing is in the correct order, the initial billing order was:

Victor Garber
Brandon Routh
Arthur Darvill
Caity Lotz
Franz Drameh
Ciara Renee
Falk Hentschel
Amy Pemberton
Dominic Purcell
Wentworth Miller

And I assume that means Purcell and Miller got the "with/and" prestige slots at the end, which are considered comparable to second billing, so that would make Pemberton the lowest-ranked regular due to being a voice role.

The initial second-season order had the same first five, followed by Matt Letscher and Maisie Richardson-Sellers, then Pemberton, with Zano and Purcell in the final prestige slots. The current order is Routh, Lotz, Richardson-Sellers, Pemberton, Tala Ashe, Keiynan Lonsdale, Zano, and Purcell. So the veteran cast members are still in their original relative positions, allowing for departures, with newer cast members in the order of seniority. Evidently Pemberton's seniority or her occasional on-camera appearances have given her a boost in the ranking, with Ashe and Lonsdale as the newcomers. (And it illustrates how much the cast has changed. Only 4 of the original 10 leads are still around, 5 if you count Darvill.)

So even though Sara is the clear lead character now, the only way she'd get top billing is if Routh left. It's very rare for two cast members' positions relative to each other in the credits to change; if one is above the other, they'll stay above the other. And usually the newer cast members get lower billing. Although there have been cases where a lead actor has been replaced by another lead actor who got top billing above the longer-standing veterans, like Earth: Final Conflict and Stargate SG-1. (Both of which were cases where the show brought in a new male lead rather than just promoting the female lead to a starring role she was more than suited for. Typical.)
 
Christopher said:
No, Victor Garber was first-billed from the start. Darvill may have been "big" in the UK, but he was fairly new to US TV.

Assuming IMDb's listing is in the correct order, the initial billing order was:

Victor Garber
Brandon Routh
Arthur Darvill
Caity Lotz
Franz Drameh
Ciara Renee
Falk Hentschel
Amy Pemberton
Dominic Purcell
Wentworth Miller

And I assume that means Purcell and Miller got the "with/and" prestige slots at the end, which are considered comparable to second billing, so that would make Pemberton the lowest-ranked regular due to being a voice role.

The initial second-season order had the same first five, followed by Matt Letscher and Maisie Richardson-Sellers, then Pemberton, with Zano and Purcell in the final prestige slots. The current order is Routh, Lotz, Richardson-Sellers, Pemberton, Tala Ashe, Keiynan Lonsdale, Zano, and Purcell. So the veteran cast members are still in their original relative positions, allowing for departures, with newer cast members in the order of seniority. Evidently Pemberton's seniority or her occasional on-camera appearances have given her a boost in the ranking, with Ashe and Lonsdale as the newcomers. (And it illustrates how much the cast has changed. Only 4 of the original 10 leads are still around, 5 if you count Darvill.)

So even though Sara is the clear lead character now, the only way she'd get top billing is if Routh left. It's very rare for two cast members' positions relative to each other in the credits to change; if one is above the other, they'll stay above the other. And usually the newer cast members get lower billing. Although there have been cases where a lead actor has been replaced by another lead actor who got top billing above the longer-standing veterans, like Earth: Final Conflict and Stargate SG-1. (Both of which were cases where the show brought in a new male lead rather than just promoting the female lead to a starring role she was more than suited for. Typical.)
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I got to admit I was kind of confused during the Browder years. I assume they felt they needed someone of Richard Dean Anderson's stature to replace him and Browder, at least to nerds, was that kind of name. I was never sure who though was actually in command of the unit. Of course nothing beats Anderson getting his name even ahead of the title. How was Tapping handled though when she went to "Atlantis" At this point I think she could be seen as a big name hire if your going off nerd fandom. She was going to be in charge of the base. On the other hand Hewlett was the clear star of the show but Flanigan was the lead and the bigger name when the show started. Funny also to think that if they ever came back and did a movie it means Momoa might deserve to be ahead of everyone. He did "Game of Thrones" and he is now Aquaman.


Jason
 
Jayson1 said:
On the other hand Hewlett was the clear star of the show but Flanigan was the lead and the bigger name when the show started.
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No, Flanigan was always meant to be the lead. Hewlett had only been a guest star in 2-3 SG-1 episodes to that point. If he became a breakout cast member, that happened later, like Spock on Star Trek or Fonzie on Happy Days.
 
Christopher said:
No, Flanigan was always meant to be the lead. Hewlett had only been a guest star in 2-3 SG-1 episodes to that point. If he became a breakout cast member, that happened later, like Spock on Star Trek or Fonzie on Happy Days.
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Yep I know that but Hewlett did sort of become the breakout star very quickly. By the time Tapping arrived their was no doubt that he was the most important person on the show.

Jason
 
Commander Richard said:
Should have pulled a JJ Abrams and put everyone in alphabetical order.
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Huh? Alphabetical order has been a standard format for giving actors effectively equal billing for generations, since before J.J. Abrams was even born. He has no specific claim to the technique. (Indeed, every Star Trek series from TNG onward has used alphabetical order for all the cast members after the top one or two leads, and the TOS movies used it for all the actors besides the big three.)
 
I was wondering, does Amy Pemberton do mo-cap when they show the holographic floating head for Gideon or is it completely CGI? I can't really tell if it actually looks like her or not.
 
JD said:
I was wondering, does Amy Pemberton do mo-cap when they show the holographic floating head for Gideon or is it completely CGI? I can't really tell if it actually looks like her or not.
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From the way it moves, it looks to me like it's straight-up animation rather than performance capture. But I don't know for certain. Of course, it wouldn't have to be performance capture for it to look like her. They'd just have to scan her once to create a digital double and could then animate it manually. That's what they do to create the characters' "stunt doubles" for the digital action sequences. A few months ago, the makers of Titans released a behind-the-scenes photo of Anna Diop sitting in a contraption that lit up her face from all sides so that they could scan her to create the digital Starfire they'll use in flight and action scenes. It's sort of the modern equivalent of making a plaster cast of an actor's face.

And conversely, it wouldn't need to look like her to be performance capture. Just ask Andy Serkis.
 
Ovation said:
Thanks for the heads up. I was able to remotely adjust my PVR to make sure I didn’t miss it (have had enough trouble with CTV2 recording on my PVR as is).
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It’s also saying next week’s is on 2 hours later. I guess this American idol thing is staying
 
I wasn't expecting to like an episode about young Elvis much, but it turned out to be pretty nice. Though it was a little unclear what exactly the catalyst was for the change to history. Was the Death Totem guitar not there in the original history?

The guy playing young Elvis looked familiar. I've probably seen him on Riverdale, but I can't remember who he played. Anyway, his voice seemed to drop an octave when he sang, so I assume he was dubbed.

And the 1954 Memphis churchgoers were oddly unscandalized by Nick and Amaya's interracial romance. Would she and Wally even have been allowed in a white church? Given that the preacher uncle defined rock and roll, a genre that originated in black culture, as "the Devil's music," I doubt he was inclined toward racial tolerance.
 
I was bothered by their inability to get basic facts right in regard to the "discovery" of Elvis and his first recording session. It also would have been nice if they found a singer who was able to sound even remotely like him.
Sam Phillips already knew who & what Elvis was before his first recording session. Also, there were only 3 people in the studio (including Elvis) during the session. I don't know what that horrible song was, but it's something never recorded by Elvis. To top it off, they attempted to show Elvis writing Jailhouse Rock while in the jail cell. Elvis never wrote any of his songs.
Don't even get me started about the whole "Robert Johnson's guitar" nonsense.
These are basic facts that are very well known. The fact that no effort was put into details like that bothered me as a musician, singer & Elvis fan.
Other than that, it was an enjoyable episode. I just would have enjoyed it more if I wasn't rolling my eyes at the things I mentioned above.
 
jbny67 said:
I was bothered by their inability to get basic facts right in regard to the "discovery" of Elvis and his first recording session. It also would have been nice if they found a singer who was able to sound even remotely like him.
Sam Phillips already knew who & what Elvis was before his first recording session. Also, there were only 3 people in the studio (including Elvis) during the session. I don't know what that horrible song was, but it's something never recorded by Elvis. To top it off, they attempted to show Elvis writing Jailhouse Rock while in the jail cell. Elvis never wrote any of his songs.
Don't even get me started about the whole "Robert Johnson's guitar" nonsense.
These are basic facts that are very well known. The fact that no effort was put into details like that bothered me as a musician, singer & Elvis fan.
Other than that, it was an enjoyable episode. I just would have enjoyed it more if I wasn't rolling my eyes at the things I mentioned above.
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It’s not “our” Elvis, so I didn’t get worked up about it (besides, it’s possible they couldn’t get clearance for the proper songs anyway). Seems Earth-1 Elvis simply had a different path to stardom.
 
Not knowing the particulars of Elvis’ story I found the episode enjoyable. It was refreshing to see a story that didn’t need action as the impetus for the plot. Even the Axl subplot worked well to keep the ship bound characters in the story. I also liked that the preacher wasn’t a complete ass as typical in these things.

I agree that it would’ve been nice if the actor looked and sounded more like the real article but he was otherwise OK. As the story went on it became less of an issue.

Interesting use of Wally’s powers but also showing why they can’t solve everything. He and Zari felt very natural in this episode as if they were there all along.

The ghost FX was decent and the shot of Sara getting upended was nicely executed.
 
I'm guessing the lack of actual Elvis songs is probably to avoid copyright fees.

The totem thing I'm still not sure of. It doesn't seem like history was altered to give him the guitar with the death totem so my theory is Elvis always had the death totem in the original timeline, but the reason history was altered is because Darhk's actions to free Mallus have reveberated thru time and weakened the veil which then amplified the death totems powers for someone to use it. In the original timeline he had it and could sense his brother's presence, but nothing beyond.
 
FreezeC77 said:
In the original timeline he had it and could sense his brother's presence, but nothing beyond.
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The sense I got was that the talent was always in him without needing a supernatural connection to his brother, but once he felt that connection, it became an emotional crutch and he assumed he couldn't play without it. That's why he was able to go on and become "the King" after he gave up the totem -- because he never really needed it in the first place. Your basic "Dumbo's feather" dynamic.
 
Christopher said:
The sense I got was that the talent was always in him without needing a supernatural connection to his brother, but once he felt that connection, it became an emotional crutch and he assumed he couldn't play without it. That's why he was able to go on and become "the King" after he gave up the totem -- because he never really needed it in the first place. Your basic "Dumbo's feather" dynamic.
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That is my interpretation as well. I think Nathan even gives Elvis a speech at the end about how he does not need the totem in order to do great music which supports that.
 
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