Well, I'll just say that if you want to approach time travel with subtlety and a low profile, maybe don't recruit superheroes. 
Spoilers DC's Legends of Tomorrow - Season 3
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Okay, but it's confusing to read. Heck, we've already got two different Arrowverse Rorys, Mick Rory (Heat Wave) and Rory Regan (Ragman). We don't need a third.
(I'm reminded of the new Marvel's Spider-Man cartoon. I was puzzled when they called the Jackal Raymond Warren instead of Miles Warren, but then I realized it's because Miles Morales is a semi-regular character in the show and they probably didn't want to confuse the audience with two characters named Miles. Although that's never stopped Batman productions from using both Harvey Bullock and Harvey Dent.)
I think people think of Darvill as "Rory" because for many it might be his first role they saw him in and he hasn't built up a number of roles to sort of spilt up the many different characters they kind of also see when they watch him. Victor Garner for example I think of Titantic,Alias,Stargate Universe,Argo and now Orville when I think of him along with his Stein character.
Jason
It's the first role I saw him in too, but as I said, I have no trouble seeing Rip as Rip now, because he's completely different in the role. Not to mention that he last played Rory Williams five years ago.
In a world of reruns I am not sure if 5 years matters much. Plus sometimes it can be fluke of what you happen to be watching last. For example when I watch the current "Curb your Enthusiasm" and you see Ted Danson in it and then you see him in "The Good Place" all in the saw week, even a day after you kind of still thinking of their role in the other show but if you went months between watching them their role in the other show might not be so fresh. It might also be that I just watch lots and lots of tv so when you see actors you kind of start noticing patterns like, those two were in the same movie and things like that or might notice how much a actor has aged because you just saw something else they did, maybe 5 years ago.
Jason
Still -- the whole point of acting is that they play different characters. I think it's inconsiderate to an actor to see them only as an older character when they're trying their best to create a new character. I can't help but put myself in the actor's shoes and imagine how they'd feel about that -- I think they'd be hurt or insulted, because it would be implying that they'd failed to do their job and make their characters distinct from each other.
Then again, maybe that's why I'm not prone to identify an actor with one of their past characters -- because I tend to be aware of them as actors. Like, when I see Amy Acker as Caitlin on The Gifted, I don't think "Oh, there's Fred" or "Oh, there's Root" -- I think "Oh, there's Amy Acker."
Then again, maybe that's why I'm not prone to identify an actor with one of their past characters -- because I tend to be aware of them as actors. Like, when I see Amy Acker as Caitlin on The Gifted, I don't think "Oh, there's Fred" or "Oh, there's Root" -- I think "Oh, there's Amy Acker."
I also got to admit I sometimes see the actor before the character but it's really a mix of different thoughts. For example have you ever watched a actor do something in his/her performance that you recognize that they do in their other roles? Like how Tom Cruise seems to always be running in his movies or the head bob that George Clooney tends to do.
I also notice you see the actors more as you get older and when you watch tv as a kid. Back then you just see the characters and when your younger you also don't notice things like the writing or directing and you don't have any idea or interest in stuff that goes into making a tv show or movie you like. I think I wasn't interested in that stuff until I became a Trek fan and I wanted to learn more about how it was made and before long your looking up things like writers talking about the shows or spoilers for future episodes and hanging around Star Trek message boards.
Jason
Sure, but that's recognizing an actor plying their craft. It's not pretending that their current character is actually one of their former characters. You might notice that your favorite band uses a guitar riff in a new song that's similar to one they used in an earlier song, but that wouldn't make you refer to the new song as if it actually were the old song.
I think how much people make those leaps depend on the actor. For example you get some actors who disapear in a role and then you get someone like Bruce Willis were you feel like he is always playing Bruce Willis. I also think though for many actors they fall in the middle. They are good enough to make you feel emotions and for you to care about their characters but at the same time just a little limited in being able to totally escape their old characters. Also I think some people like it when actors play a certain way or themselves. If you go see Bruce Willis movie or even Al Pacino you kind of expect certain things that you want to see. On the other hand if you see Johnny Deep you kind of expect to see what unique take he is going to do. I think many fans are still expecting a little Rory in Darvill right now but I think that will change the more he keeps doing different things. I know it took me awhile to not see Verne Schillnger in "J.K Simmons but I think that changed when I saw him do Jamerson in "Spider-Man." I'm not sure if Rip Hunter feels like that huge departure from Rory at least not yet and if he isn't going to be a regular anymore I am not sure if it will ever really happen until more time passes and actors gets more roles and Rory and Rip just feel like two roles among many. For example if plays a serial killer and everyone finds him to be creepy and then it will be the Rory character that doesn't seem to fit the actor.
Jason
Yeah, but that doesn't apply here. As I've said, to me, Rory Williams and Rip Hunter seem vastly different. Rory was gentle, diffident, feckless, and a bit slow on the uptake, and though he developed a stronger, more assertive side, he never entirely lost those other qualities. Rip is arrogant, commanding, and manipulative, not to mention that he speaks with a much more upper-class accent and has the imperious manner to accompany it.
Of all the LoT actors that I know from previous roles, Darvill is probably the one whose character here is the least like the one I knew him from before. Martin Stein is quite different in personality from Jack Bristow, but at least he has the same accent and a similar father-figure role. Ray Palmer is more of a playful goof than Routh's Superman, but still basically a clean-cut good guy. Okay, Mick Rory is quite different from the character Dominic Purcell played in John Doe, which is the one thing I really knew him from before this, but I lost interest in that show pretty quickly and he didn't leave much of an impression.
They should call it a "Ray shrink" instead.
maybe a Wonder Woman character would guest in the show some time? what's going on with the story anyways? is this tv series part of the Flash and Supergirl show or are they all separate universe?
They are seperate universe
Arrow, The Flash, Legends of Tomorrow, and the animated webseries Vixen are all in the same continuity, which they call Earth-1. Most of LoT's characters were introduced on Arrow (White Canary, Atom) or The Flash (Firestorm, Heat Wave), and LoT's Vixen is the grandmother of the one from the animated show (because of time travel). Supergirl was originally on another network and was thus self-contained, but after a while it crossed over with The Flash and it was established as a parallel timeline in the multiverse (a concept that had been introduced earlier in that season of The Flash and has been an ongoing part of it ever since). Specifically, Supergirl's timeline is called Earth-38. So they're all in the same overall continuity, but that continuity includes multiple parallel realities that can cross over with each other pretty easily.
The "Arrowverse," as it's called, also retroactively includes NBC's cancelled series Constantine from several years back. That show was short-lived but a cult favorite, so the Arrow producers brought its lead actor back as Constantine in an Arrow episode, and now they're making an animated Constantine webseries (and Constantine will appear in a Legends 2-parter this season). There's also another animated series coming up called Freedom Fighters: The Ray, which is set on a Nazi-ruled "Earth-X," and which will be set up in the big Supergirl/Flash/Arrow/Legends crossover event next month.
By the way, I just rewatched last week's episode, and the TV newsreader talking about the modern Vixen said that she'd been waging a crusade "against drug dealers and corrupt cops alike" over the past 3 years. Corrupt cops? I want to see that story. Was that just the writers slipping in a bit of political commentary about police brutality, or is there actually some specific Vixen storyline they're developing that involves corruption? Do we know if the webseries is going to have a third season?
There have also been a few things in the current Flash show to suggest the short-lived 1990s Flash series is part of the same multiverse, including various actors from that series appearing as this series' versions of the same characters, and the old series' Flash being glimpsed during one of Barry's dimensional transits. I think Christopher is on record as thinking there's not enough evidence to support that conclusion, which is likely why he didn't mention it, but it's certainly plausible, and the fun factor tips the scales in its favor for me.
I'm inclined to agree, actually, but it's only a strong implication, not something that's ever been overtly confirmed.
Anyway, "Zari" was okay, but it didn't wow me. Same for Tala Ashe as Zari. I guess it remains to be seen where they'll go with her. But as a lifelong Filmation fan who watched The Secrets of Isis in first run, it was neat for me to see that horns-of-Isis amulet again (even if they're shying away from the word "Isis" due to widespread stupidity) and to see her take flight in a whirlwind. The moment I saw that, I thought, "O Zephyr winds that blow on high / Lift me now so I can fly."
Still, the story was trying to do too many things at once -- Zari, the dystopian future, ARGUS hunting and torturing metas, Amaya's totem troubles, Nate's long strange trip, the ongoing feud with Agent Sharpe -- and it doesn't feel as if any of them really got the attention it deserved. An episode both introducing and named for their new regular character should've spent more time developing her. They should've dropped the Time Bureau/Sharpe conflict; it didn't really have any relevance to Zari's or Amaya's story, and it's already getting repetitive to see Sara and Sharpe clash every week.
Hey, Hazard on The Flash tonight was named Rebecca Sharpe. Any relation?
Linking Amaya's and Zari's totems is a decent way to justify having them both stick around, and depending on where in Africa Zambezi is located, I suppose it's conceivable that their culture and Egyptian culture could have some indirect links, or that an associated set of mystical traditions or artifacts could've spread to both cultures.
One thing puzzled me. When Ray saw the footage of Kuasa killing those guards, he said he'd fought someone with similar water powers before. But that person he fought was Kuasa, in season 2 of Vixen. So why didn't he recognize her?