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DC Cinematic Universe ( The James Gunn era)

When I was ten years old, it was really cool. But even then, I knew the webs just looked like ropes. Didn't care though.

The thing that really bothered me by super-hero shows of the 70s was the lack of super-villains.
 
Neat, I didn't exist at that time, so it's not surprising that I didn't know of that iteration.

But it's cool that it did exist. Did you get to see it live on TV while it was on its original Broadcast run?

Yes, I did see it first run. That was an interesting time for Marvel adaptations, with he Amazing Spider-Man's September 1977 pilot followed closely in November by []The Incredible Hulk[/i] pilot. Some might suggest The Green Hornet (ABC, 1966-67) was the first "superhero" adaptation to play it in a more serious, real-world aligned fashion, but the Spider-Man & Hulk TV series firmly established that, with the latter perfecting that approach to the degree it was a major success with adults as well as kids. Theoretically, the Spider-Man series would have worked in a similar manner, but CBS' PTB dragging their feet ordering new episodes (despite the strong ratings), and moving its time slot did not allow it to have a regular, captive audience like The Incredible Hulk.

Some have complained about the lack of comic-book costumed villains on the series (with the exception of "Night of the Clones", a truncated TV version of the comic's original "Clone Saga"), but Spider-Man's native comic and the then-current daily strip had him occasionally confront criminals of the non-super-powered variety from time to time (in addition to the costumed super-villains, obviously), so one might miss the Ocks and Goblins, but the TV version did take some creative cues from Spider-Man's history up to that point, and that was enjoyable--not perfect, but enjoyable.
 
Was that the one with Lou Ferrigno as "The Incredible Hulk"?
Yes, and he brought the character to life not just as a physical form, but as a personality truly building on / bursting from Banner's anger, fears and even loss. I'd say the series crowning jewel was producer/showrunner Kenneth Johnson approaching / getting the great Bill Bixby signed on the portray Banner--easily the best performed and heartfelt Banner ever put before cameras.
 
Was that the one with Lou Ferrigno as "The Incredible Hulk"?
Fun fact - Richard Kiel "Jaws" from two James Bond movies, was originally cast as the Hulk, and had actually filmed some scenes, but while he had the height, he lacked the physique, and was replaced by Lou Ferrigno.
Also, stuntman Dick Durock "Swamp Thing" played a proto-Hulk in one episode.
I know people didn't care about continuity back then, but it is interesting to have Banner on the East Coast in one episode, then on the West Coast the following episode, with no explanation as to how he traveled that far.
An interesting exercise would be for someone to try and accurately plot David Banner's travels across the United States. If one were to lump certain states/cities/locations together starting from the pilot movie, one might be able to track his movements across the United States.​
 
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Yes, I did see it first run. That was an interesting time for Marvel adaptations, with he Amazing Spider-Man's September 1977 pilot followed closely in November by []The Incredible Hulk[/i] pilot. Some might suggest The Green Hornet (ABC, 1966-67) was the first "superhero" adaptation to play it in a more serious, real-world aligned fashion, but the Spider-Man & Hulk TV series firmly established that, with the latter perfecting that approach to the degree it was a major success with adults as well as kids. Theoretically, the Spider-Man series would have worked in a similar manner, but CBS' PTB dragging their feet ordering new episodes (despite the strong ratings), and moving its time slot did not allow it to have a regular, captive audience like The Incredible Hulk.

Some have complained about the lack of comic-book costumed villains on the series (with the exception of "Night of the Clones", a truncated TV version of the comic's original "Clone Saga"), but Spider-Man's native comic and the then-current daily strip had him occasionally confront criminals of the non-super-powered variety from time to time (in addition to the costumed super-villains, obviously), so one might miss the Ocks and Goblins, but the TV version did take some creative cues from Spider-Man's history up to that point, and that was enjoyable--not perfect, but enjoyable.
I remember my aunt and uncle taking my brother and I to see this in the cinema. This was probably about 1979-80. We knew it wasn’t quite at the level of eg Superman The Movie and not totally comic strip accurate but loved it anyway. The series began airing a year or two later on British tv. This was when there were 3 channels and IIRC it aired on a Friday night on ITV, one of the big channels. So it really was peak viewing in a way you wouldn’t get now for a show like this. The Incredible Hulk was also peak time tv viewing, probably bigger still, around this time, also on ITV.

I still wish Hammond had gotten a cameo in NWH (I don’t think he’s even in the Spider-verse movies).
 
Fun fact - Richard Kiel "Jaws" from two James Bond movies, was originally cast as the Hulk, and had actually filmed some scenes, but while he had the height, he lacked the physique, and was replaced by Lou Ferrigno.
Also, stuntman Dick Durock "Swamp Thing" played a proto-Hulk in one episode.
I know people didn't care about continuity back then, but it is interesting to have Banner on the East Coast in one episode, then on the West Coast the following episode, with no explanation as to how he traveled that far.
An interesting exercise would be for someone to try and accurately plot David Banner's travels across the United States. If one were to lump certain states/cities/locations together starting from the pilot movie, one might be able to track his movements across the United States.​
Off screen Hulk jumps. ;)
 
Fun fact - Richard Kiel "Jaws" from two James Bond movies, was originally cast as the Hulk, and had actually filmed some scenes, but while he had the height, he lacked the physique, and was replaced by Lou Ferrigno.​

Which was a good choice. Aside from his build being wrong, I doubt Kiel could've given as sympathetic or nuanced a nonverbal performance as Ferrigno did.

Also, stuntman Dick Durock "Swamp Thing" played a proto-Hulk in one episode.

A 2-parter, "The First," which ironically was actually the last two episodes produced, although it was shown in the fourth season (the fifth season consisted entirely of episodes shot during the fourth-season production block but held back).


I know people didn't care about continuity back then, but it is interesting to have Banner on the East Coast in one episode, then on the West Coast the following episode, with no explanation as to how he traveled that far.

People did care about continuity to extent; it just wasn't as great a preoccupation as it is with fans today. In fact, it was around the era of the Hulk show that prime-time American TV was gradually trending toward a greater degree of continuity and limited serialization compared to the '60s, say, though much less than today. If you look at something like the original Battlestar Galactica and even Galactica 1980, there's a degree of story continuity and evolving status quo to a degree that conventional wisdom today would insist was impossible for the era, because people always oversimplify the past.
 
How many different stations does All in the Family air on?
I know it's on MeTV, MeTV+, and CatchyTV.
Now you're saying it's on AntennaTV as well?
That was my mistake, it's only on MeTV, Antenna TV is one channel down from Me here, so I get their shows mixed up a lot. Antenna does show Archie Bunker's Place and Maude though.
Some have complained about the lack of comic-book costumed villains on the series (with the exception of "Night of the Clones", a truncated TV version of the comic's original "Clone Saga"), but Spider-Man's native comic and the then-current daily strip had him occasionally confront criminals of the non-super-powered variety from time to time (in addition to the costumed super-villains, obviously), so one might miss the Ocks and Goblins, but the TV version did take some creative cues from Spider-Man's history up to that point, and that was enjoyable--not perfect, but enjoyable.
I've always wondered why the superhero shows from the '70s used so little of their source material. Was it a rights issue? Were they afraid including the villains would make it too comic booky and scare people off? The Incredible Hulk was a great show, but it's always seemed strange to me that they made up McGee instead of just having Ross going after Banner/The Hulk. And I haven't seen the live action Spider-Man show, but it seems weird to have a Spider-Man adaptation that doesn't include Aunt May.
 
If you didn't live through the 60s and 70s it's hard to explain how different the media attitude toward fantasy was.

The fewer fantasy elements a show had, the more confident the three networks were that they could sell it to sponsors looking for an adult audience to sell goods like automobiles to.
 
I've always wondered why the superhero shows from the '70s used so little of their source material. Was it a rights issue? Were they afraid including the villains would make it too comic booky and scare people off?

That was common for most live-action superhero adaptations prior to the late '80s. Using original villains was the norm; the only exceptions I can think of from that era were Batman '66 (though 2/3 of its villains were original), the first two episodes of Lynda Carter's Wonder Woman, the Doctor Strange TV movie pilot (technically, because Morgan le Fey was in the comics but is not originally a comics character), and the first two Reeve Superman movies (although S2 considerably altered Zod, and Non & Ursa were original to the film). The Burton/Schumacher Batman movies kind of started the trend of using comic villains regularly. The '88 Superboy used a number of comics villains, notably including Bizarro, Metallo, and Mr. Mxyzptlk as well as Luthor as a major presence, but also had plenty of original villains-of-the-week. The 1990 The Flash was originally discouraged from using comic-book villains, but the network changed its mind midway through and we started to see a few comic villains show up in the latter half of the show's only season.

Using supporting protagonists besides the main hero was more common -- Lois, Jimmy, and Perry, Alfred and Commissioner Gordon, Steve Trevor and Etta Candy, J. Jonah Jameson, Wong, etc. -- but a number of adaptations didn't use any of the supporting characters, like Hulk or the Captain America pilot movies. Even as late as the '90s, The Trial of the Incredible Hulk, a Daredevil backdoor pilot, featured Matt Murdock and Kingpin but created new characters in place of Foggy and Karen.

I think the reason might be a mix of both your suggestions. If a production creates its own characters, it doesn't have to pay residuals to an outside creator. And a lot of superhero shows did try to keep things less comic-booky and more in a conventional TV mold. It's also probably in large part because TV was more freelancer-driven back then, and the writers coming in from outside might not have been familiar with the comics, instead just making up their own bad guys. It wasn't uncommon for freelance TV writers to have ideas that they could pitch to multiple different shows of a particular genre, adapting them to fit the specific characters and premise as needed.

I've often thought that the reason today's superhero shows preferentially use established comics characters -- even if it's just slapping a comics character's name onto an otherwise unrelated, original character -- is because the same people own the comics and the TV studios now, so they have a vested interest in using their existing IP, or claiming ownership of what would otherwise be original characters so that they don't have to pay the writers for creating them.


The Incredible Hulk was a great show, but it's always seemed strange to me that they made up McGee instead of just having Ross going after Banner/The Hulk.

The show was already one of the most expensive series on the air at the time thanks to the lack of standing sets, wide-ranging location filming, and elaborate action/FX sequences. There's no way they could've afforded to have the military hunting the Hulk on a regular basis. The Fugitive format where it's just one guy chasing after the hero was more practical.

What surprises me is that the comics didn't pick up McGee as a character, the way comics have done with other characters created for media adaptations like Jimmy Olsen, Perry White, Harley Quinn, Phil Coulson, etc. There was a gender-flipped Jacqueline McGee introduced in the Marvel Universe a few years ago, but nothing until then. The Hulk show was popular enough that you'd think the comics would've wanted to connect to it more.

Wasn't Aunt May in the pilot movie, or am I thinking of an actress who was supposed to be similar to Aunt May?

Yes, May was in the pilot, and only the pilot. But no Uncle Ben, no Burglar, no guilt driving Peter to become a hero.
 
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