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DC Cinematic Universe ( The James Gunn era)

Post-Crisis Superman killed Zod and his two companions in order to prevent them from conquering Earth, but that resulted in a deep moral crisis for Superman to the point where he basically exiled himself to space until he found his moral center again. And things like that are possible in serialized story-telling. It does not work in a movie when the act of killing happens three minutes before the credits roll.
 
Post-Crisis Superman killed Zod and his two companions in order to prevent them from conquering Earth, but that resulted in a deep moral crisis for Superman to the point where he basically exiled himself to space until he found his moral center again. And things like that are possible in serialized story-telling. It does not work in a movie when the act of killing happens three minutes before the credits roll.
Not to mention, before that self-exile, he basically suffered a psychotic break from the moral trauma of the act.

I’d just as soon Superman never be portrayed as killing, but if you’re gonna do it, this was the way. Treat it as an event with enormous repercussions. Make it a character and story point, not just the shock-value flourish of a director with distinctly nihilistic tendencies.
 
Post-Crisis Superman killed Zod and his two companions in order to prevent them from conquering Earth
Don't you hate it when movies are consistent with the comics?
Superman continued killing in BvS and ZSJL.
Who did he kill in BvS other than Doomsday? The guy in Africa? ( And the film kind of highlights his refusal to kill Lex. )

He killed no one in ZSJL.
 
I don't think that Superman is against killing in the same way Batman is. I just don't think it served any purpose in the story other than a juvenile attempt to make Superman look edgy by people who don't understand Superman beyond him being a male power fantasy.

Superman is entirely against killing. He even gets upset when he lets someone die by accident. Even in the Byrne comic when he does "kill" Phantom Zone villains, there are consequences. It has been a part of his character for almost his entire existence. Even in the movie, we see him upset over the action, but that is only in the moment and we don't see it again.
 
Don't you hate it when movies are consistent with the comics?

Who did he kill in BvS other than Doomsday? The guy in Africa? ( And the film kind of highlights his refusal to kill Lex. )

He killed no one in ZSJL.

It was left unclear that he killed that guy in Africa.
 
I don't think that Superman is against killing in the same way Batman is.

I'm not sure where that perception comes from. Historically, they and their contemporary comics characters have generally been pretty consistently on the same page about it. In the early, pulp-inspired comics, they were both somewhat lethal, but then got toned down to be more kid-friendly in the early 1940s and were depicted as never using lethal force. In the comics, they've both been very consistently against killing ever since, with rare exceptions like that Byrne Phantom Zone story. It's only in screen adaptations that they've been more prone to lethal force, or to "I don't have to save you' copouts.
 
Further to Christopher's point, Hollywood in general seems more prone to choosing the lethal option. Most of the Trek films, for example, end with the heroes causing the villain's death. Why this should be I don't really know, other than a surmise it's born of similar logic to sex so often being used as a shorthand for intimate relationships. It's an easy way to narrative catharsis, the villain getting what they deserve, the romantic tension resolved. Problem is, at least in my opinion, it's too often not a satisfying approach, because it isn't properly earned. Or, in the case of Superman killing, goes so strongly against the popular perception of the character.

And I agree with Awesome Possum that everything happens in a story because the teller wants it to. The trick is not making the artifice obvious, and thus not undermining your character, emotional, thematic intent. It needs to feel like a natural development, with build-up and consequences, and that's really hard to do, especially if it's heavy, dark stuff like the "awful choice" trope that seems so prevalent at the moment. You do it wrong, it just feels like you're being grim for the sake of it, a trap that, for me, so many keep falling into, including Zack Snyder.

I can only hope James Gunn can avoid it.
 
Superman is entirely against killing. He even gets upset when he lets someone die by accident. Even in the Byrne comic when he does "kill" Phantom Zone villains, there are consequences. It has been a part of his character for almost his entire existence. Even in the movie, we see him upset over the action, but that is only in the moment and we don't see it again.
I got into the comics in the early 90s and he'd occasionally kill, but there was always a weight to it. The biggest probably being Doomsday where he has to kill him because it's the only way to stop him and kills Supes in the process. I also felt that he's willing to kill if given no other option and he's going to do everything he can before it gets to that, but it has happened occasionally. He's not really defined by it in the same way Batman is.
 
I feel like even Batman’s code against killing may be a bit overstated. I don’t read many Batman comics, but one I did read not long ago was the “War of Jokes and Riddles” arc, at the end of which Batman tries to kill the Riddler, and is prevented from doing so only by the intervention of the Joker (of all people). I’m sure it’s hardly typical — it’s treated as a BFD in the story, and the secret guilt of it has weighed heavily on Bruce ever since — but it does suggest he isn’t incapable of it under the right circumstances.
 
I didn’t (and still don’t) have any objections to Superman killing Zod in MoS, though if a different outcome had happened I certainly wouldn’t have been disappointed. Essentially, I chalked up a number of criticisms from others regarding Superman/Clark’s behaviour and choices to the fact Cavil’s Superman has far less training/experience than any other movie Superman—and he was raised by parents who were not the paragons of virtue depicted elsewhere. As such, among other things, his decision to kill Zod is consistent with the background given him. I viewed it as a rookie facing incredible challenges making a choice he probably wouldn’t make with more training and/or experience. Reeve has years with Jor-El at the fortress, Routh is basically an extension of Reeve, so also experienced, and Corenswet is in his third year. Cavil is essentially on his second or third day.

I know my view will never persuade anyone who dislikes what Snyder did, but I don’t think one needs to share Snyder’s perspective on why Superman killed Zod (it’s not at all persuasive) to find an explanation for the choice in-story. As to the decision to create the scenario in the first place, there’s certainly room for debate, but it didn’t seem unbelievable in the moment, to me, given the rookie status of this Superman.

It would have been quite out of place in the current movie, especially as Superman is not a rookie. If Corenswet’s version had killed anyone, the whole framework would have had to be considerably different and far more options would have had to have been explored.
 
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Don't you hate it when movies are consistent with the comics?

Some hate it when it does not fit a character history that never existed, meaning the idea Superman never killed, or if he did, its some modern take on the character, which is patently false.

Who did he kill in BvS other than Doomsday? The guy in Africa? ( And the film kind of highlights his refusal to kill Lex. )

Exactly.

He killed no one in ZSJL.

True.

In Man of Steel, it was quite clear Superman had to make a decision on the spot, or else Zod would've incinerated that family, and his reaction after killing him was not one of relief or satisfaction. He was anguished, yet some continue to lie about the scene.
 
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