Day of the Dove: Discuss

[Push The Button]

Mara's rape scene was removed from the BBCs transmission for many years, leaving us perplexed as to why Kirk slugged his navigator at the time! It looked like he was going to chop her with the sword but the next minute he's hurled to the wall by Kirk and then karate chopped!
JB

Any one of the Klingon women that we saw from TNG onward would have wiped the floor with Chekov.

 

[BillJ]

One I always wanted a follow up to. Our heroes find a derelict starship/starbase where the entity has been for a century.

"Century of the Dove".

 

[CorporalCaptain]

One I always wanted a follow up to. Our heroes find a derelict starship/starbase where the entity has been for a century.

"Century of the Dove".

Sounds scary.

 

[C57D]

One I always wanted a follow up to. Our heroes find a derelict starship/starbase where the entity has been for a century.

"Century of the Dove".

I play the FASA STRPG and that sounds like a brilliant inspiration for a scenario.

Thank you.

 

[geotrek]

My personal impression is that it was the BBC self censoring to avoid any imposition from the government.

Well The Day of The Dove scene you could argue was not the right thing for a child to see on television but the majority of scenes excised by the BBC were just to fit the show into the slot and they never bothered to alter the cut years later either! How can you justify cutting Kirk's first meeting with his attorney Samuel Cogley in Court Martial and scenes with The Gorn in Arena without a credible reason?

Thanks y'all! It makes perfect sense about cutting the show for time and/or as a preemptive censor. I think some networks here still cut out the weird humiliation scenes in Plato's and the dancing part when the crew is destroying the Norman robots in I Mudd in order to add more commercials. (Incidentally, that is one of my favorite examples of Kirk talking a robot to death )

You're right about the scene, johnnybear... I agree. It just seems so tame now. Same with the Triskelion episode where Uhura meets her training thrall--the Hitchcock quality of not actually seeing the violence always scared me terribly--but that's nothing to TV today.

 

[johnnybear]

Your memory's is better than mine on that point Johnnybear. But I do recall seeing ST (Miri and Spectre of the Gun are the two I recall the most) on the Beeb back in those heady days.
Loved TOS then, love TOS now.

Would you say you were a fan then, C5?
JB

 

[johnnybear]

Any one of the Klingon women that we saw from TNG onward would have wiped the floor with Chekov.

Even the Klingon gal in the background scenes of Dove looks like she could whip Chekov, Push!
JB

 

[UnknownSample]

I liked how you know exactly what Chekov's about to do to Mara, just by his dropping the sword. As for the BBC, I suspect it's that they have never given up on the idea of science fiction being for children.

 

[C57D]

Would you say you were a fan then, C5?
JB

Just a tiny bit, maybe, JB.

I watch TOS, read TOS and write and run a TOS roleplaying game.

So I guess I'm a fan lol !!

 

[johnnybear]

Just a tiny bit, maybe, JB.

I watch TOS, read TOS and write and run a TOS roleplaying game.

So I guess I'm a fan lol !!

Guess you must be then, C5!
JB

 

[Spock's Barber]

Any one of the Klingon women that we saw from TNG onward would have wiped the floor with Chekov.

Apparently Chekov wasn't very good in hand-to-hand combat. For example....

Or....

 

[C57D]

Guess you must be then, C5!
JB

And going by your posts here, I would say that you are a fan too JB??

 

[Galileo7]

"Day of the Dove" is one of my favorite episodes. The Klingons are depicted well along with their thoughts on the Federation and humans. For this, I consider "Day of the Dove" the best Klingon episode of TOS as I consider "Balance of Terror" a fascinating Romulan episode.

 

[Morpheus 02]

This episode is a goldmine of Klingon themes later used by John M Ford in his excellent "The Final Reflection". I don't have the episode before me, but a few (doubtless misquoted by me) from memory are:-

"We are a poor people, we need to expand."

"She is Klingon, she knows her duty."(When Kirk threatened to kill Mara)

And, especially, " Only a fool fights in a burning house".

"Day of the Dove" is one of my favorite episodes. The Klingons are depicted well along with their thoughts on the Federation and humans. For this, I consider "Day of the Dove" the best Klingon episode of TOS as I consider "Balance of Terror" a fascinating Romulan episode.

It's been more than 25 (maybe 30!) years since I read The Final Reflection...and only saw a few minutes of this episode eon ME_TV (the end)... and it seemed to me to also fit the TNG era portrayal of Klingons...in the noblest sense (i.e. Worf would REALLy like Kang).

Really wish we had been able to see Michael Ansara as Kang again (not including DS9)

 

[johnnybear]

Apparently Chekov wasn't very good in hand-to-hand combat. For example....

Or....

Wouldn't you rather grapple with a bald headed sixties Klingon than a giant anthropoidic alien my Lord?
JB

And going by your posts here, I would say that you are a fan too JB??

Well I think I might be, C5 but not sure really...
JB

 

[Spock's Barber]

Wouldn't you rather grapple with a bald headed sixties Klingon than a giant anthropoidic alien my Lord?

JB

I'd rather grapple with the Captain's Woman from Mirror, Mirror, JB.

 

[johnnybear]

I'd rather grapple with the Captain's Woman from Mirror, Mirror, JB.

I can so concur my Lord! Marlena was absolutely gorgeous!
JB

 

[Ssosmcin]

This is my favorite episode of the season and one of the best of the run. A really good look at Klingon society and in Kang we have a complex and moral villain. He and Kirk and so evenly matched and I love the fairly open ending of the story. I wish these were run in production order, or closer to it, as this would have been really the last time anyone saw the Klingons until the films (not including the illusionary Kahless in "The Savage Curtain"). One gets the impression perhaps a greater effort towards peace was made by the way this ends.

Soild. I rewatch this one a lot.

 

[Kor]

Really wish we had been able to see Michael Ansara as Kang again (not including DS9)

And definitely not including VOY's "Flashback."

Kor

 

[johnnybear]

This is my favorite episode of the season and one of the best of the run. A really good look at Klingon society and in Kang we have a complex and moral villain. He and Kirk and so evenly matched and I love the fairly open ending of the story. I wish these were run in production order, or closer to it, as this would have been really the last time anyone saw the Klingons until the films (not including the illusionary Kahless in "The Savage Curtain"). One gets the impression perhaps a greater effort towards peace was made by the way this ends.

Soild. I rewatch this one a lot.

A scene not filmed (I believe) had The Enterprise dropping Kang and his crew off on a neutral planet and the seeds of an understanding between their respective ideaologies was sown!
JB