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David Stern: NBA Contraction Possible

GeorgeKirk

GeorgeKirk

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http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=5715816

What do you think about this? Honestly, I've thought for a while that there are too many teams in the NBA. I mean, would anybody really miss the Minnesota Timberwolves, Charlotte Bobcats, or Memphis Grizzlies? Statistically speaking, the percentage of NBA fans that spend money on those teams is probably about the same as the people who liked Crystal Pepsi.

I hope this happens. I really do.
 
Fine by me. Can they also kill a round of the playoffs? It makes the regular season pointless at this point.
 
I say they eliminate:

Kings, Grizzlies, Pacers, Timberwolves, Bobcats, Bucks, Hornets, and Clippers.
 
It would suck if they got rid of the Kings, Pacers, or Bucks because of their history (Kings were an NBL team, Pacers have the ABA history, plus Reggie Miller. Bucks can point to Oscar Robertson and Lew Alcindor). No sympathy for the T-Wolves, Bobcats, or Hornets (provided they aren't getting attendance, I haven't checked the numbers). Throw in the OKC Thunder as well. They already severed their ties to the Supersonics, so they don't deserve any recognition of that history.

EDIT: And nobody cares about the Clippers, that one can go without saying.
 
I like Michele Beadle's idea of just having the Celtics, Lakers, Mavericks, Spurs, and a couple of other super teams battle it out every year. :lol:
 
Just a bargaining chip they're using to get other concessions from players during the negotiation of the 'Collective Bargaining Agreement'.
 
BillJ said:
Just a bargaining chip they're using to get other concessions from players during the negotiation of the 'Collective Bargaining Agreement'.
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Agree. It is an empty threat. Whose franchise are they going to take? Is the league going to pay fair market value for those teams? I don't think so.

Franchises may move or get sold, but be dissolved or sold back to the league - no.
 
I don't think they'll get rid of them anyway. But with how they treated the Sonics, it shows the NBA is quite willing to be a dick.
 
Alidar Jarok said:
I don't think they'll get rid of them anyway. But with how they treated the Sonics, it shows the NBA is quite willing to be a dick.
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But the Seattle SuperSonics moved to Oklahoma City didn't cost the NBA a dime. In order to contract the NBA is going to have to buy back franchises, which I can't believe their in the financial shape to do.

Unless bankruptcy was involved. But I'm not sure the NBA could file as a group?
 
Yeah, good point. They'd have to buy back the teams and that's a bigger headache than just have a diluted talent pool.
 
Cities don't need two teams
But the real problem is the lack of parody in the Association. We know who's going to win every year. The NBA is extremely TOP heavy. The East is a loose collection of teams that no one cares about.



The League is Full of ROLE PLAYER scrubs off the street looking for a payday .
They are at most warm bodies filling in the gaps between the college and the stars and superstars. Worse of all they're just plain Thugs and the Association barely keeps them under control.

They are busy whining about their financial troubles while dishing out Millions to players that have more say over their team than the coaches and we're supposed to continue to line the pockets of these millionaires while the ticket prices to watch a good team keep going up. I don't think so...I'm staying home. No one wants to watch perennially bad teams every year.
 
Saquist said:
The League is Full of ROLE PLAYER scrubs off the street looking for a payday .
They are at most warm bodies filling in the gaps between the college and the stars and superstars. Worse of all they're just plain Thugs and the Association barely keeps them under control.
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"Role players" and "scrubs" aren't the same thing. Role players are required for any team to win (no matter the sport). Of course there are more role players than stars, tell me which sport is any different in this regard? If anything, most NBA teams don't have enough good role payers.

IMO, the NFL has cornered the market on thugs. Name the last NBA player who went to prison for murder for hire or was tried for double homicide. "Thuggery", thy name is NFL.

They are busy whining about their financial troubles while dishing out Millions to players that have more say over their team than the coaches and we're supposed to continue to line the pockets of these millionaires while the ticket prices to watch a good team keep going up. I don't think so...I'm staying home. No one wants to watch perennially bad teams every year.
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Isn't the NFL collective bargaining contract ending soon? Heh heh, if so, I think we're about to hear some first class whining.
 
gblews said:
"Role players" and "scrubs" aren't the same thing. Role players are required for any team to win (no matter the sport). Of course there are more role players than stars, tell me which sport is any different in this regard? If anything, most NBA teams don't have enough good role payers.
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You don't get it...There are entire teams of role players.
They are scrubs because for some reasons Talent is the only thing that matters in the NBA. For some reason a group of FIVE guys can't out smart on Superstar. It's laughable.

I think the NBA is full of idiots. AND I MEAN FULL OF. These people haven't learned to think, strategie or problem solve. They seem to rely purely on reflex...purely on strength, purely on tallent. It's an effect that is replicated dozen's of times across the Association and it's sad...

That's why they trade so often because you can't coach up players. What you see is what you get.

IMO, the NFL has cornered the market on thugs. Name the last NBA player who went to prison for murder for hire or was tried for double homicide. "Thuggery", thy name is NFL.
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YES! But they are controlled. Plus the NFL impoys more people and players. Organizations like the Patriots and Cowboys have an Iron fist approach. In the NBA the thuggery is advertised and is made it into pop-culture, sensationalized and idolized where it does more damage.


Isn't the NFL collective bargaining contract ending soon? Heh heh, if so, I think we're about to hear some first class whining.[/QUOTE]

I'm looking forward to it because I hope the will correct the error with the Rookie Salaries. That's progress and the NFL is more progressive than the other sports associations.
 
Saquist said:
gblews said:
"Role players" and "scrubs" aren't the same thing. Role players are required for any team to win (no matter the sport). Of course there are more role players than stars, tell me which sport is any different in this regard? If anything, most NBA teams don't have enough good role payers.
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You don't get it...There are entire teams of role players.fewer
They are scrubs because for some reasons Talent is the only thing that matters in the NBA. For some reason a group of FIVE guys can't out smart on Superstar. It's laughable.
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No, you apparently don't get it. Let me give you the names of some role players without whose presence, several stars would have fewer rings; Michael Cooper, Kurt Rambis, Vinnie Johnson, Dennis Rodman, Derek Fisher, Kendrick Perkins. All of these role players provided much needed skill in particular areas where teams' stars could not. None of the aforementioned were scrubs - but all were role players.

I think the NBA is full of idiots. AND I MEAN FULL OF. These people haven't learned to think, strategie or problem solve. They seem to rely purely on reflex...purely on strength, purely on tallent. It's an effect that is replicated dozen's of times across the Association and it's sad...
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Think you could be a bit more specific here? :lol:

That's why they trade so often because you can't coach up players. What you see is what you get.
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As ridiculous a comment as I've heard here. Trades don't happen in the NFL? (cough)Randy Moss(cough).Re: the coaching comment - tell that to Phil Jackson, Greg Popovich, and Pat Riley.

IMO, the NFL has cornered the market on thugs. Name the last NBA player who went to prison for murder for hire or was tried for double homicide. "Thuggery", thy name is NFL.
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YES! But they are controlled. Plus the NFL impoys more people and players.
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"Controlled"? Then that would mean "thuggery" never happens, right? So all those players who have been killed inside and outside "clubs", or the ones who have killed others while driving drunk were under control?
In the NBA the thuggery is advertised and is made it into pop-culture, sensationalized and idolized where it does more damage.
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Please explain how, where, and when, the NBA advertises "thuggery"? Please indulge me, I'm really interested in how you came to this conclusion. Please name the ad or commercial.

Isn't the NFL collective bargaining contract ending soon? Heh heh, if so, I think we're about to hear some first class whining.
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I'm looking forward to it because I hope the will correct the error with the Rookie Salaries. That's progress and the NFL is more progressive than the other sports associations.
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Way to change the subject.

Here something for you to chew on - right out of today's headlines, "Ex-NFL player (Dave Meggett) gets 30 years..." Convicted of sex assault and burglary. The NFL is the poster child for modern thuggery.

 
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No, you apparently don't get it. Let me give you the names of some role players without whose presence, several stars would have fewer rings; Michael Cooper, Kurt Rambis, Vinnie Johnson, Dennis Rodman, Derek Fisher, Kendrick Perkins. All of these role players provided much needed skill in particular areas where teams' stars could not. None of the aforementioned were scrubs - but all were role players.
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It's funny that many of those individuals would be nothing with the star players they played for. In the NBA the scrub and the role player are often interchangeable.


As ridiculous a comment as I've heard here. Trades don't happen in the NFL? (cough)Randy Moss(cough).Re: the coaching comment - tell that to Phil Jackson, Greg Popovich, and Pat Riley.
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Many things are worth questioning few things are worth ridicule so don't take it personally. The NFL requires players to think, to be mentally dynamic and to know their competition intimately. NBA is more about strength and team chemistry. Beyond simply motivating their players, coaches in the NFL are an intergral part of the game, thus the 3 different coaches to command the plays. The frequency of trades and coaching changes in the NBA exemplifies how replaceable they are.

"Controlled"? Then that would mean "thuggery" never happens, right?
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If you're answering your own questions why bother asking?


I'm really interested in how you came to this conclusion. Please name the ad or commercial.
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All you have to do is watch.
The number of excessive arm tattoos.
guns in the locker room
rap's embracing of the players
The necessity to mandate suits for inactive players court side
Stiffer regulations to quell fighting on the court. And they had to do that because the public is paying for prime seating next to the court with no barriers.
Technicals have gone up and the proof of the assault on the players is right on their arms.



Way to change the subject.
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And yet you don't hear Roger Goodell talking about removing entire franchises. The NFL hasn't over saturated the airwaves with their games like baseball and basketball. The NFL gets it's games on Sunday...all day, while Americas other two had to be scaled back in the last 10 years because of drooping ratings to no more weekday broadcast on network TV.

"Ex-NFL player (Dave Meggett)
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I have no idea who that is...

Kobe Bryant
Ron Artest
Gilbert Arenas
Marcus Camby
Tony Battie
Allen Iverson
Zydrunas Ilgauskas
Stephen Jackson
Anthony johnson
Jason Kidd
Jermaine O'Neal
Zach Randolph
Jason Richardson
Deshawn Stephenson
Kurt Thomas
Rasheed Wallace
Jason Williams
Chris Wilcox

Very Well known names.
 
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It's funny that many of those individuals would be nothing with the star players they played for. In the NBA the scrub and the role player are often interchangeable.
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"Funny"? No, it's not. Do you really understand how team play works? I didn't say these players were stars - I said they are role players who need star players, more dynamic personalities than themselves, in order to win. This fact does not make them scrubs. So you think there are no role players in the NFL? Every winning "team" has to have these kinds of players in order to win.

Scrubs are players who lack the desire and drive, and sometimes talent, to contribute meaningfully to their teams' winning. None of the aforementioned players fit into this category. Sometimes a scrub can actually elevate him or herself to role player status, or, on rare occasions, even star status.
The NFL requires players to think, to be mentally dynamic and to know their competition intimately. NBA is more about strength and team chemistry. Beyond simply motivating their players, coaches in the NFL are an intergral part of the game, thus the 3 different coaches to command the plays. The frequency of trades and coaching changes in the NBA exemplifies how replaceable they are.
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What you mention above are characteristics of winning teams in any sport, not just the NFL. You really don't understand strategy in team sports do you?
Coaches in the NFL get fired as often as they do in the NBA. I'm not even going to Google which NFL coach has the most seasons with the same team, but I'de be willing to bet it's probably less than 10 seasons. There are at least two NBA coaches with longer than 10 seasons with the same team.
All you have to do is watch.
The number of excessive arm tattoos.
guns in the locker room
rap's embracing of the players
The necessity to mandate suits for inactive players court side
Stiffer regulations to quell fighting on the court. And they had to do that because the public is paying for prime seating next to the court with no barriers.
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(sigh) Tattoos in and of themselves are not an indication of thuggishness, especially these days. Lots of people, some of them very nice, have them. But that being said, there are loads and loads of players in the NFL with tattoos. The reason technicals are up in the NBA this season has nothing to do with fighting, it is because the league has made an effort to stop players from complaining to the refs after foul calls. Roger Goodell has come in and strictly enforced the conduct code in the NFL because of the perception that the league was out of control.

"Ex-NFL player (Dave Meggett)
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I have no idea who that is...
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Hmm, I had a feeling you had not been following sports for very long.
Kobe Bryant
Ron Artest
Gilbert Arenas
Marcus Camby
Tony Battie
Allen Iverson
Zydrunas Ilgauskas
Stephen Jackson
Anthony johnson
Jason Kidd
Jermaine O'Neal
Zach Randolph
Jason Richardson
Deshawn Stephenson
Kurt Thomas
Rasheed Wallace
Jason Williams
Chris Wilcox
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The NBA has it's share of knuckleheads for sure, but have any of the players you mention above been convicted of double homicides, murder for hire, sex assault? My point is not that the NBA has no problems with idiotic behavior by players, my point is that the perception that the NBA is the only league with this problem is ridiculously incorrect.
 
It's better to check the average length of NFL coaches. After all Belichick and Reid have a long time as head coaches, but I don't think there are many others.
 
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