None, as they don't use money.
David Marcus - What did Kirk know and when did he know it?
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And "pretty much all" certainly allows for one or two exceptions, anyway.
When I first read this, I thought that you were talking about Carol, and I was really confused for a minute there.
There are a lot of references to money in TOS. TVH was the first time someone said they didn't use money in Kirk's era. Note that from Kirk's point of view that was just months after McCoy and an alien discussed the price of going to the Genesis planet in TSFS. So I doubt if there was some sort of communist revolution in the Federation during the short time between the two movies.
I have no way of proving this, but I think Kirk knew from the start. That's why he did what Carol wanted and "stayed away". At some point later, Carol might've tried to get Kirk into David's life. "Remember that over-grown boy-scout you used to hang around with?" But, for any multitude of reasons -- Starfleet, personal, professional, or otherwise -- it just didn't work out.
That one (and most other references) are totally consistent with the proposition that money isn't a thing inside the Federation, but cultures outside it still rely on the stuff. Generally speaking, if you're on the frontier and you want something from (say) Harry Mudd or the Ferengi, they're going to want some form of compensation for whatever it is. In the specific case at hand, the Genesis planet was off limits under Federation law, so the only way to get there was to go through someone outside the usual channels.
From a Federation point of view, market economics may seem as quaint as some island nation that trades seashells for everything would to us, but you gotta play by the local rules when you're not on your own turf.
And "pretty much all" certainly allows for one or two exceptions, anyway.
When I first read this, I thought that you were talking about Carol, and I was really confused for a minute there.
Sorry about that.
It depends on whether Kirk's devout Christian faith allows for public acknowledgment of illegitimate children.
Kirk feels the same way about both God and his illegitimate children... He finds the one quite sufficient.
...Thank you, I'll be here all week! Try the veal!
Kirk feels the same way about both God and his illegitimate children... He finds the one quite sufficient.
...Thank you, I'll be here all week! Try the veal!
And he believed neither David nor God belonged on a starship.
What if Kirk and Picard somehow got onto the topic of religion when they met during Generations? Now that I'd like to see.
You know, as long as we're discussing whether or not the line is, "Why didn't you tell him?" (and I'm now convinced that it is), I might as well mention another line I was mishearing for years: I always heard Kirk's line "You show me a son that would be happy to help him" as just "You show me a son that would be happy to help" as in, David would be happy to join the fight against Khan if only Carol felt differently about David following in his father's footsteps. Once again, Shatner says the line so quietly and trails off so much that it's easy to miss the "him" at the end.
Did anyone else mishear, and thus misinterpret, this line for years?
Did anyone else mishear, and thus misinterpret, this line for years?
I missed the "him" but still interpreted it as David being against Kirk, as was intended.
Picard: "God is a meaningless superstition. The Great Cosmic Plan would never allow such a being to exist."
I think I remember it getting a mention in 'The Autobiography of James T Kirk'. I'm pretty sure she had him while he was at the academy and he knew all about him, he was even with him for a few years.
It did. @DavidAGoodman even had Carol and David
serve as the initial thing that bonds Kirk and McCoy - They both had children that they weren't close to because their relationships with the mothers came to a bad end.
Why is that ironic?
Agreed. Even in the Voyager series it's taken for granted that trading, bartering, exchanges, and commerce are things the crew have to do, to get the supplies, technology, and other things they need. The ship's internal economy runs on replicator rations and holodeck hours.
Can we leave Picard's no-money-we're-so-enlightened fantasies out of this? It's 80 years out of date.
They don't use cash or other forms of physical currency. That's not at all the same as not using money. The Federation has an economy.
That said, the laws and expectations of child support are likely to vary from planet to planet, but I can't imagine that any child born on Earth would be allowed to grow up without some kind of support.
In the specific case of Carol Marcus, I would think that Carol probably told Kirk she didn't want anything from him, as she could support her son by herself, and preferred to do so... and don't call or visit, kthxbai.
What "devout Christian faith"?
As for acknowledging illegitimate children, it's not even that big a deal anymore in this century. Why should it be in the 23rd century?
I was continuing a joke.
By definition a bastard is a male illegitimate child. Kirk called the Klingons bastards because they killed his bastard child.
CHEKOV: I was making a little joke, sir.
SPOCK: Extremely little, Ensign.
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