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Dating "The Cage" - When does it ACTUALLY take place?

Aside from the age issue mentioned above (which is superficial -- the events of ST II through V take less than a year of story time, but the actors age visibly between them), it's difficult to fit the events of TATV into the storyline of "The Pegasus." TATV shows Riker making his own decision to tell Picard the truth about the cloaking experiment and the fate of the ship, but "The Pegasus" has him forced by circumstances into revealing the secret. It's also hard to see where Riker would've had the time or inclination to watch a holodeck program during the events of "The Pegasus."

Thanks. I had a generalized, background dislike of TATV for making ENTERPRISE's own stars into supporting actors, and for being ridiculous as a concept, unnecessary as a story, and the shifted focus being inappropriate for a finale, but those extra points you cited make me dislike it more.

Also, as a rule I think a holodeck episode should be really good, or don't do it at all. If I'm watching a story on television, I'm already at one remove from reality. Now if Riker is on my TV, essentially watching his TV, that puts me at two removes from reality. So what's happening in that f---ing holodeck had better be dynamite.
 
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Thanks. I had a generalized, background dislike of TATV for making ENTERPRISE's own stars into supporting actors, and for being ridiculous as a concept, unnecessary as a story, and the shifted focus being inappropriate for a finale, but those extra points you cited make me dislike it more.

Also, as a rule I think a holodeck episode should be really good, or don't do it at all. If I'm watching a story on television, I'm already at one remove from reality. Now if Riker is on my TV, essentially watching his TV, that puts me at two removes from reality. So what's happening in that f---ing holodeck had better be dynamite.
You can always find extra reasons to dislike TATV. :) It's kind of like "Skin of Evil" in that the only decent scenes are in the last five minutes.
 
Is it true that the first several episodes of TOS were incorrectly slotted in terms of production? Is 'Where No Man Has Gone Before' the official first ever episode?

What with the original pilot 'Cage' left on the scrapheap because the studios wouldn't accept it given their humongous heads not being 'conceived' well from the public perspective.

I thought the original pilot was ok actually. I'm not surprised Jeffrey Hunter resigned from the project as the studios couldn't decide where to go from there.

Thanks.
 
Is it true that the first several episodes of TOS were incorrectly slotted in terms of production? Is 'Where No Man Has Gone Before' the official first ever episode?

I'm not sure what you mean. If you mean that the episodes were not aired in production order, that was common for the era. Most shows were made specifically so that the episodes could be shown in any order, to give the networks more flexibility in scheduling. So it can't really be called "incorrect," since there was no real "correct" order.

"Where No Man" was the second pilot, thus the second episode made, and the first one with William Shatner in it, as well as the first with James Doohan and George Takei. It was the third episode aired. The first non-pilot episode produced was "The Corbomite Maneuver," which was the tenth episode aired and the debut for DeForest Kelley, Nichelle Nichols, and Grace Lee Whitney.


What with the original pilot 'Cage' left on the scrapheap because the studios wouldn't accept it given their humongous heads not being 'conceived' well from the public perspective.

Actually the execs were impressed with "The Cage," but it didn't really tell them what they needed. According to Inside Star Trek by Solow & Justman, Desilu pulled out all the stops to make "The Cage" as high-quality and cinematic as they could, because the studio had never attempted a production of such magnitude before and needed to prove it was capable of it. But that didn't serve the needs of a pilot, which was supposed to be a more typical episode in terms of content and budget, so that the network could estimate how much a full season would cost to make. So NBC asked for a second pilot that would be more representative of a normal episode. Essentially, the first pilot was to sell Desilu and the second was to sell Star Trek.

Also, contrary to the myths Roddenberry spun later, part of the reason NBC rejected the pilot was because the cast was underwhelming -- and because it was all white. Networks at the time had recently seen the results of studies showing the buying power of minority viewers, so there was a push on to make TV shows more diverse. Roddenberry liked to claim later that he pushed for an ethnically diverse cast over the network's resistance, but in fact the network asked for diversity and "The Cage" totally failed to deliver. Aside from one Asian-American extra in the transporter room, the only supposedly "ethnic" character in the cast was Jose Tyler, who was played by a decidedly non-Hispanic actor and whose name was never spoken in the pilot anyway. So NBC asked Roddenberry to try again with a more interesting and more diverse cast.


I'm not surprised Jeffrey Hunter resigned from the project as the studios couldn't decide where to go from there.

That had nothing to do with it. Apparently he stepped away because he didn't want to be associated with science fiction, a genre that was not considered respectable at the time.
 
I could have sworn Tyler's name was spoken in dialog at some point. But looking at the transcripts for both The Cage and The Menagerie, Pts. I and II, the only time the name "Jose" was spoken out loud was when Kirk addressed Commodore Mendez! :lol:

Kor
 
Is 'Where No Man Has Gone Before' the official first ever episode?
Yeah, production-wise I suppose you could say that, since of the two pilots "Where No Man..." was actually aired and "The Cage" wasn't during the original run.

At least, that was arguably so until "The Cage" was actually aired in 1988, and arguably not so afterwards.
 
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