Dating Picard
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LeVar is quick to settle a question that fans have raised: Given the age of Geordi’s daughters, was the character a father by the time of “Nemesis” 20 years ago? Or even by the time of “First Contact” or “Insurrection”?
“No, I believe that this part of Geordi’s life came after ‘Nemesis’ and ‘Insurrection,'” Burton said. “That it was when Geordi made a decision to get out of the skies and teach that he settled down long enough to establish roots in a family situation, to get married and to have kids.” -- LeVar Burton on ‘Star Trek: Picard’: ‘Next Gen’ Reunion Wasn’t Planned | IndieWire
Admittedly Levar's headcanon isn't necessarily canon, but this also puts Alandra and Sidney's age at 21 at the oldest (and that's assuming their fraternal twins, and that Geordi got married and had kids immediately after Nemesis in 2379), and since it's April 2401 we probably have to assume both of them graduated a bit early too.
If they wanted to name Geordi's wife as Leah, or otherwise, they had the opportunity in the line where Alandra is told to tell her mom that Geordi won't be back for dinner. Geordi's wife isn't named, so it's clear the showrunners are leaving her identity open to be anyone at this time.
As far as the Leah Brahms possibility goes, I assume the writers don't want to remind viewers of the creepy holodeck stuff from TNG. That said, we know that although licensed games and comics aren't canon Trek has generally tried to keep them in line with ongoing tv at the time of release. Leah features in the Star Trek Resurgence comic book (a prequel to the upcoming game) dated 2380, with her in a long term life threatening position that would presumably have her TNG husband feature or be mentioned. No husband, TNG or Geordi or otherwise, is mentioned in the comic at all and if you read it without knowing a husband existed from TNG, you'd think she was single. Furthermore, Leah engages in some extremely shady and Starfleet endangering actions in this comic book to the point that Geordi must be really, really desperate if he does marry her at this time period.
“No, I believe that this part of Geordi’s life came after ‘Nemesis’ and ‘Insurrection,'” Burton said. “That it was when Geordi made a decision to get out of the skies and teach that he settled down long enough to establish roots in a family situation, to get married and to have kids.” -- LeVar Burton on ‘Star Trek: Picard’: ‘Next Gen’ Reunion Wasn’t Planned | IndieWire
Admittedly Levar's headcanon isn't necessarily canon, but this also puts Alandra and Sidney's age at 21 at the oldest (and that's assuming their fraternal twins, and that Geordi got married and had kids immediately after Nemesis in 2379), and since it's April 2401 we probably have to assume both of them graduated a bit early too.
If they wanted to name Geordi's wife as Leah, or otherwise, they had the opportunity in the line where Alandra is told to tell her mom that Geordi won't be back for dinner. Geordi's wife isn't named, so it's clear the showrunners are leaving her identity open to be anyone at this time.
As far as the Leah Brahms possibility goes, I assume the writers don't want to remind viewers of the creepy holodeck stuff from TNG. That said, we know that although licensed games and comics aren't canon Trek has generally tried to keep them in line with ongoing tv at the time of release. Leah features in the Star Trek Resurgence comic book (a prequel to the upcoming game) dated 2380, with her in a long term life threatening position that would presumably have her TNG husband feature or be mentioned. No husband, TNG or Geordi or otherwise, is mentioned in the comic at all and if you read it without knowing a husband existed from TNG, you'd think she was single. Furthermore, Leah engages in some extremely shady and Starfleet endangering actions in this comic book to the point that Geordi must be really, really desperate if he does marry her at this time period.
Yet the actresses are 28 and 30 respectively. Yet another reason the 2401 date is simply not plausible. Okay, both daughters are ensigns, and a fresh-from-the-Academy graduate could indeed be as young as 21, but that's really pushing the limits. I mean, the dialogue suggests that Sidney's rift with her father over her career choice in Starfleet has been lingering between them for quite some time. And if we go by Lower Decks' portrayal, a brand-new graduate is not likely to have earned a regular bridge posting yet.
Matalas is our Lord and Savior now or something, apparently.
Harry Kim did, even before half the crew got killed. Then again, his career stalled after that, so maybe not the best example.
Well, Harry was valedictorian of his class, so he probably wasn't typical.
I don't agree. I think that Seven's experience as a civilian specialist aboard Voyager, her command experience in the Fenris Rangers, her extremely advanced educational achievement, and whatever else she may have been doing between 2378 and 2399 that we didn't get to see, all more than make it plausible that she might be immediately commissioned as a commander and assigned an executive officer position.
Sounds to me like the LaForge sisters could plausibly be anywhere from about 22 to 25. Assuming they graduated at age 22, three years as ensigns sounds reasonable.
Except then they'd have to be born before Nemesis to fit the 2401 date. I guess that can't be ruled out, but it's yet another ad hoc assumption that's hard to reconcile.
There's a concept in physics called the principle of elegance. The most elegant theory, the one that explains everything the most simply and naturally without feeling forced or overcomplicated, is generally the one that turns out to be correct. The true answer is generally more straightforward and feels more natural than a wrong answer that twists itself into knots trying to fit the facts. Rationalizing the 2401 date may be possible, but requires all sorts of convoluted handwaves and rationalizations and weak "you can't rule it out completely" justifications for a whole bunch of things, and taken all together, it's a hideously inelegant pile of implausible excuses. Pretty much everything in this season fits far more elegantly if it's presumed to take place in 2405 or later.
I don't think it's that difficult to reconcile. We barely saw Geordi in the films and have no real sense of what he was up to in-between Insurrection and Nemesis. I find it entirely plausible that Geordi could have begun a family by the time of Nemesis.
No, but it was the most important starship to Starfleet and the Federation.
As I've already acknowledged, you can handwave excuses for any single piece of it in isolation. Collectively, though, the number of handwaves and awkward rationalizations that have to be piled on top of each other to justify the 2401 date are profoundly inelegant compared to just putting it several years later.
Which is still a completely different thing from the founding of Starfleet.
So? Starfleet existed before that, and the Federation Starfleet existed after that. The bottom line is that the anniversary of Starfleet is not 2151 no matter what excuse is given for that date.
We'll see.
Sure, but I'm not arguing the other points. I think you make a strong case that the balance of evidence would point to a date after 2401. I am restricting myself to the two very narrow points that 1) Seven could plausibly have been commissioned straight to commander, and 2) LaForge could have had kids between Insurrection and Nemesis.
I prefer it that way. I made a small irritated noise at the beginning of season 2 when Q referred to "All Good Things" as "when [he and Picard] last parted ways." Gee, thanks, glad you took the time to phrase things to specifically rule out there ever being a Picard and Q story set during the entire Enterprise-E era and Picard's retirement in novels, comics, games, or the audiences' imaginations, classy move. (I suppose, technically, you could pull a Clone Wars, and say Picard and Q had loads of encounters after AGT, so long as in the most recent one he reiterated that "the trial never ends," but that's bunk.)
Better to acknowledge that things still happen when we don't see them, especially in the movie era where we have installments that are years apart. It's more accommodating than inserting a weird computer-virus plotline retroactively into BoBW, or like three other things that happened during TNG that we never saw in the season première. I mean, come on, we already got rid of the vast majority of the (noncanon) chronicled Enterprise-E era, fill some of it back in. Picard was on that ship longer than the -D, sentiment notwithstanding.
We have gotten a bit of that, like the story Picard told about encountering the Hirogen.
https://twitter.com/daveblass/status/1645154249481895937?s=46&t=GJ4lIGndtLwuph_LJO2AJw
The series finale takes place April 12th 2401, and airs on April 12th.
Maybe that’s why they changed the date, if it wasn’t planned
The series finale takes place April 12th 2401, and airs on April 12th.
Maybe that’s why they changed the date, if it wasn’t planned
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