I'd rather channel Jack Nicholson's version of the Joker in Burton's Batman film.
'I'm glad you're Dead!' *maniacal laugh*
Cheers,
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Data's death
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I was surprized and moved by his sacrificial death. I had read that a character was going to die but I wrongly guessed it would be L'waxanna as I never saw MBR's name attached to the film in anything I read before seeing it.
As noted above, Data's sacrifice brought him as close to humanity as he could get, and without that wretched technology, his emotion chip. His death and the effect on the crew just afterward and in the deleted scene were perhaps the best scenes in the movie for me... until B4 apparently started to become Data at the end. Data's not really dead, is he? What a poor idea. It really cheapened Data's death to me and was more in keeping with the poor writing and directing found virtually everywhere else in the film. I wanted so badly for this film to be good that I went a second time hoping I had missed something the first time. I went back several times to see GEN, FC, and even INS but I stopped at two for NEM. It's still not too late for another movie from that era, although I hope STXI is so successful that we see a cable TV miniseries based some of TNG/DS9/VOY's characters plus some new ones.
As noted above, Data's sacrifice brought him as close to humanity as he could get, and without that wretched technology, his emotion chip. His death and the effect on the crew just afterward and in the deleted scene were perhaps the best scenes in the movie for me... until B4 apparently started to become Data at the end. Data's not really dead, is he? What a poor idea. It really cheapened Data's death to me and was more in keeping with the poor writing and directing found virtually everywhere else in the film. I wanted so badly for this film to be good that I went a second time hoping I had missed something the first time. I went back several times to see GEN, FC, and even INS but I stopped at two for NEM. It's still not too late for another movie from that era, although I hope STXI is so successful that we see a cable TV miniseries based some of TNG/DS9/VOY's characters plus some new ones.
B4 may have Data's memories but he's not sophisticaed enough to ever become Data.
I enjoyed Nemesis myself. Data's death was surprising but not unmoving. And I liked the bit at the end with Picard and B4 singing in his quarters.
That would be my expectation.
Unless of course Geordi takes it upon himself to become the next Soong and start tinkering with B4's sparkly positronics, upgrading him or creating another version of Data that is sophisticated enough to house said memories. I mean they should have enough reference information from tinkering with Data's head all those years; surely Data and Geordi kept notes during those events. Also, finding Lore (a nice "what not to do" reference) and two lost Soong labs, surely with artifacts of knowledge, would make it at least feasible to make an attempt. Granted, Noonian Soong was a genius in his field, but if Geordi was passionate enough about it and his best friend, I suspect he could pursue it and make some headway.
I doubt Data could could ever be outright "reborn," but they could come remarkably close though the events of Nemesis, post-download, would be lost forever with the exception of B4's witness. Just a thought.
Wouldn't they have a complete, quantum level, scan of Data in the transporter?
Sure the transporter cannot be used to "replicate" a living being in this matter but, at the fundamental level, Data isn't a living being. He's hardware. Nothing more than a really sophisticated piece of machinery.
So stick B4 on the trasnporter pad beam him and while he's in the pattern buffer insert Data's QL scan/transporter trace and then reassemble "B4" into Data.
Thus "killing" B-4, the same argument that resulted in the loss of "Tuvix" (VOY).
Would it be "killing" B4 or would it be using technology to improve a mental deficency?
I must give you a "Yes and No" answer. We know B-4 was a Soong prototype. He was probably one of Soong's three failed experiments before Lore. We don't know what become of him after Nemesis. Maybe Maddox will get his hands on him and start experimental refit and in the process, destroy B4 and Data's legacy? Now there's an idea for a new Trek novel, no?
I was surprised and shocked at Data's death too.
Oh, no, wait. Scratch that.
I was surprised and shocked that I ran out of Starburst to eat.
Data's death seemed a bit of a cliche for me but as other people have noted, the scene with the Riker and the others remembering him made up for it.
More likely the three prototypes mentioned by Juliana Tainer were B-1, B-2 and B-3.
Sounds like you need to check out "Immortal Coil" by Jeffrey Lang, which was written pre-"Nemesis". It features Maddox, and has cameo appearances by the three inert Soong android prototypes. And yeah, "Nemesis" sets up a sequel quite nicely.
The fate and future of the B-4 is hinted at in "Articles of the Federation", and will surely be mentioned again as the TNG Relaunch unfolds.
if the transporter could have been used in that fashion, more Data quality androids could be made. If so why did Data not use that for making Lal?
The other interesting thing about Soong androids: when the android goes bad, the memory isn't just wiped to start again, they build a whole new android. Lore was disassembled by Soong when he became a threat to the colonists, and Data was built. The B-4 didn't work, and was disassembled.
Seems like a waste of materials, making new arms, legs, hands, etc., unless the "personality" is intrinsically part of the whole and not just stored in the memory chips.
Seems like a waste of materials, making new arms, legs, hands, etc., unless the "personality" is intrinsically part of the whole and not just stored in the memory chips.
I was told someone might die but avoided actual spoilers and thought it was just hype.....they won't kill off a main guy from TNG.......
so yes I was shocked when I saw it on it's first night alothugh I wasn't shocked when B4 started to hsow signs of Data's memory.
so yes I was shocked when I saw it on it's first night alothugh I wasn't shocked when B4 started to hsow signs of Data's memory.
Ooh good point. Perhaps that is why so many people feel 'meh' about Data's death in the first place? Within 10 minutes of the death, hey look they've given us an 'out' that could bring him back. There isn't any sense of loss if you know the character could be back in the next movie (obviously not now but you get my drift!).
^Of course, within ten minutes of Spock's death, they'd also given us an out, though it's one that came about because of audience response in the test screenings, not because of the screenwriter's original intent.
Apparently, the same thing happened with "Rocky..."
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