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"Datalore": why?

tharpdevenport

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A thought just occured to me: why was Lore in league with the Crystaline Entity? What was he getting from this? Why in the world should it spare him?

I had always looked at it from hte perspective of Lore just simpyl being evil, but looking back at hispremediated deception and lies, it just seems silly to do all this without a reason. Goodness knows he doesn't need anybody but himself to take over the ship, if that was what he wanted.

Lore just simply seems to lack motive and reason.

:vulcan:
 
plot device. much like jedis and their use of flashlights when they have telekinesis. no reason, except to move the story along and maybe look cool.
 
A thought just occured to me: why was Lore in league with the Crystaline Entity? What was he getting from this? Why in the world should it spare him?
If you can figure out the Joker's motivations for his criminal spree in The Dark Knight (2008), then perhaps you may be able to figure this one out as well. :(

In "Datelore" and "Brothers" the explanation is that the colonists feared Lore and wanted him deactivated. Upon finding this out, and as revenge, he summoned the Crystaline Entity on the colonists at Omicron III outpost before he was deactivated.
 
A thought just occured to me: why was Lore in league with the Crystaline Entity? What was he getting from this? Why in the world should it spare him?
If you can figure out the Joker's motivations for his criminal spree in The Dark Knight (2008), then perhaps you may be able to figure this one out as well. :(

In "Datelore" and "Brothers" the explanation is that the colonists feared Lore and wanted him deactivated. Upon finding this out, and as revenge, he summoned the Crystaline Entity on the colonists at Omicron III outpost before he was deactivated.

well the joker was crazy. crazy people don't have any logical motivation. they just do what they do cause they feel like it. maybe that's enough motivation for lore? wanting to watch all the humans run around like ants as he sees them as inferior creatures and since he's got emotions i wouldn't put it past him to be clinically insane too. his driving force is more "to feel" things than what's good or what's right. his logic subroutines were probably not enough to handle the load of having emotions. same thing happened to the phoenix in x-men. not having the mental capacity to handle the sensations of feelings, she went after different sensations and doing anything in the process to facilitate that. maybe that's what happened to lore. *shrug* just theorizing.
 
well the joker was crazy. crazy people don't have any logical motivation. they just do what they do cause they feel like it. maybe that's enough motivation for lore? wanting to watch all the humans run around like ants as he sees them as inferior creatures and since he's got emotions i wouldn't put it past him to be clinically insane too. his driving force is more "to feel" things than what's good or what's right. his logic subroutines were probably not enough to handle the load of having emotions. same thing happened to the phoenix in x-men. not having the mental capacity to handle the sensations of feelings, she went after different sensations and doing anything in the process to facilitate that. maybe that's what happened to lore. *shrug* just theorizing.
Your theory may prove to be correct, because Lore did the very thing that you just detailed in the 2-part episode "Descent, Parts I and II" when he brainwashed and controlled the individualistic Borg to do his bidding in his conquest to eliminate all biologically sentient organisms. :(
 
A thought just occured to me: why was Lore in league with the Crystaline Entity? What was he getting from this? Why in the world should it spare him?

I thought Lore was immune to its "eat up organic life" beam. Frankly, that was the whole connection between the two characters in my head. Someone tell me I didn't just pull this out of thin air :confused::lol:
 
For some reason, I just conjured up the image of a movie montage where Lore and the Crystalline Entity slowly get to know each other, including sharing a chocolate malt in a 50's diner.
 
There's really no indication that Lore and the CE were in cahoots. There's only evidence that Lore thought they were in cahoots.

Under the "Lore was Krazy as Kat" hypothesis, this would be a rather natural belief for Lore to hold: even the oddest space aliens would automatically agree with him that humans were evil scum that had to be punished for not properly worshipping the mighty Lore.

In terms of human psychology, Lore's madness is also of a rather natural sort: basic compensation for feeling abandoned and despised. Who here hasn't met a person like that?

Timo Saloniemi
 
There's really no indication that Lore and the CE were in cahoots. There's only evidence that Lore thought they were in cahoots.

Under the "Lore was Krazy as Kat" hypothesis, this would be a rather natural belief for Lore to hold: even the oddest space aliens would automatically agree with him that humans were evil scum that had to be punished for not properly worshipping the mighty Lore.

In terms of human psychology, Lore's madness is also of a rather natural sort: basic compensation for feeling abandoned and despised. Who here hasn't met a person like that?

Exactly. There's no indication that the Crystalline Entity actually understood Lore's "invitation to dinner".

In Lore's view, the people of Omicron Theta rejected him. Lore has demonstrated (in "Descent") that he does not hold biological life in particularly high regard, either.
 
They had to have some kind of understanding, because Lore knew how to communicate with it, that it ws within range to communicate with and just far enough out to not be detected by long-range sensors of the Enterprise. Lore said that he'd make contact and that he will announce himself as "the one called Data".

Why not just gas the entire ship and transport Data out into space?
 
The more I think about this episode, the more bad it is. Almost everything about it is BAD. Esepcially when Lore told Picard they should beam out a large object, like a tree and destroy it with phases and torpedoes to show their might. That's one of hte stupidest things I have ever seen in TNG, or any show for that matter that tried to be serious.

There are many more intelligent ways to show superiority, but this is not hte route critical and intellectual Picard of later seasons would have taken, it fact it's damned silly.
 
The more I think about this episode, the more bad it is. Almost everything about it is BAD. Esepcially when Lore told Picard they should beam out a large object, like a tree and destroy it with phases and torpedoes to show their might. That's one of hte stupidest things I have ever seen in TNG, or any show for that matter that tried to be serious.
No, it was actually Lore's foolhardy suggestion to Picard so that the evil android could provoke the Crystalline Entity to destroy the inhabitants of the Enterprise-D.

Captain Picard wisely chose to refuse this course of action from Lore, even when he presumed him to be Data.
 
They had to have some kind of understanding, because Lore knew how to communicate with it, that it ws within range to communicate with and just far enough out to not be detected by long-range sensors of the Enterprise. Lore said that he'd make contact and that he will announce himself as "the one called Data".

But as said, there's no indication that the CE understood any of Lore's rantings. It would be natural for it to chase after starships (after all, none had apparently visited the system since the Tripoli), and the CE might be experienced enough to stalk at optimum range. The CE never responded to Lore's communications in any verifiable way. And the fact that it stopped its futile attack against the ship's shields at roughly the same time Lore came on air could be simple coincidence.

As discussed in a parallel thread, once Lore's so-called plan was put to action, the CE failed to cooperate. There was no attack when Wesley dropped the shields and beamed out something (in this case, Lore); instead, the CE retreated. A major miscommunication there - if indeed there had been communication in the first place!

Actually, he said to "make it so" and Lore took off to do it.

And what did he expect Lore to do, really? Transporters can be activated by a push of a button on the bridge (even if this simply means sending a command to the transporter crews), so the tasks left for Lore to perform would have been to

1) dig up the tree and get it to a transporter, and
2) supervise the operation, with either the mandate to drop shields and transport, or the mandate to call the bridge and say "We're, oops, I mean, we are ready, Captain. May we proceed?"

That Picard never paid attention to what Lore really was doing is sort of understandable in light of this: it would presumably take time to dig up the tree, and Lore wouldn't contact the bridge until he was done with at least that part of the operation. Picard wouldn't be negligient in supervising Lore's work, then - he'd be in the belief that he was supervising, and that in this initial harmless gardening stage, there was no major need for close attention.

But that Picard allowed the operation to proceed at all... That's atypical and difficult to justify. Perhaps Picard was merely interested in seeing what the CE would do to a tree?

Timo Saloniemi
 
Here's a better question:

What is the Crystalline Entity? :rommie:

emma frost in her diamond form.... just over mutated due to leakage in her implants. they had to launch her into space after that cause she was just eating up everyone around her. :)
 
Lore just simply seems to lack motive and reason.

Not necessarily. The Crystalline Entity feeds on living matter.

Lore is an artificial lifeform.

He may have had a grudge against organic life, due to the fact he was set aside by his human creator.
 
Lore just simply seems to lack motive and reason.

Not necessarily. The Crystalline Entity feeds on living matter.

Lore is an artificial lifeform.

He may have had a grudge against organic life, due to the fact he was set aside by his human creator.


Which is another 'Huh?' A silicon-based lifeform feeds by consuming organic - ie, carbon/water-based matter?
 
It's been some time since I saw this, but I'm quite sure that Lore says that the CE rewarded him nicely when he delivered the colonists and his reward would be that much better when he delivers the crew of the ship.
 
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