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Dark Matter, SyFy's new space show, premieres June 12th

^They address her as Android, but when speaking about her, they say "the Android." That's just standard English usage. You'd address a physician as "Doctor" to her face, but would speak about her to others as "the doctor." Nobody would ever do it the other way around.

Granted, I've just stumbled upon a counterargument to my own position, since the lead character in Doctor Who is addressed to his face as "Doctor" but otherwise referred to as "the Doctor." Same with the Master, the Rani, etc. Also, Jimmy Olsen calls Perry White "Chief" to his face and "the Chief" when speaking about him to others, but it's just as respectful either way. So if it's okay there, maybe it should be okay with the Android. Still, that doesn't carry the same cachet. At least "Doctor" and "Chief" are titles, respectful forms of address. "The Android" is a far more generic descriptor. It's not a title she's earned, it's just a category designator. It's as if Spock were only called "the Vulcan," which would be very depersonalizing. (And she's still a gynoid.)
 
First, do we really care that they used recognizable settings like malls and warehouses instead of building more futuristic looking sets that would perform the exact same functions as malls and warehouses? Really? Its a cost-saving measure, but not one that's really a problem unless you're inclined to obsess over it instead of keeping in mind that location shooting has been a part of sci-fi television since sci-fi television was invented. Half the episodes of TOS trek were filmed in the California desert or on soundstages made to look like a California desert. I don't hear anybody complaining "They should have spent more money and made them look like deserts on Mars or Venus!"

To be fair, the criticism isn't that they are using malls and warehouses to represent malls and warehouses. It's that those malls and warehouses are supposed to represent the interior of space ships and stations. While it would be expensive to build sets, they could be more creative in they're choice of location shoots. They're s plenty of locations, like when they actually shot aboard a sea vessel for the derelict ship episode, that would be better suited than what we've seen.

Also, it kind of takes you out of the story when a space station has cinder block walls.
 
I'm not going to join the speculation game concerning Six and Five and whoever. I'm just here to give my final assessment of the season and series.

I went into this expecting to hate the show or at least find it one long series of meh episodes. The Android was the main thing that kept me watching, and as the series progressed I also grew to like Two and Three. For me those three characters are enough to bring me back if and when season two is announced. This is nothing new for me. I managed to get through all four seasons of nuBSG only giving a damn about Bill Adama, Starbuck and the ship. As for the others, Five is still Jubilee, Four is still Storm Shadow, only with his own kingdom, Six is just Roger Cross playing the same Roger Cross I've seen a billion other times, and One is still Wesley Crusher (nicely contrasted by the real Wesley with facial hair and a set of cojones.) If any or all of them get slagged at the start of S2 I won't be shedding any tears.

I want to address a couple of things people have complained about here: sets and "worldbuilding." First, do we really care that they used recognizable settings like malls and warehouses instead of building more futuristic looking sets that would perform the exact same functions as malls and warehouses? Really? Its a cost-saving measure, but not one that's really a problem unless you're inclined to obsess over it instead of keeping in mind that location shooting has been a part of sci-fi television since sci-fi television was invented. Half the episodes of TOS trek were filmed in the California desert or on soundstages made to look like a California desert. I don't hear anybody complaining "They should have spent more money and made them look like deserts on Mars or Venus!"

As for a lack of worldbuilding...They're mercenaries in a future with interstellar travel dominated by powerful corporations with armies. World built. I got that in the first episode. Everything past that is window dressing anyway. Let them dress the windows in their own time.

Look, this show isn't going to win any awards for originality. It's a trope-laden space opera, but for a fan base desirous of any kind of space opera on TV, SyFy could have done worse (and has. They premiered Killjoys, and Defiance is still on the air for some reason.). It's worth sticking with for at least one more season.

P.S.: Leave naming the Android up to the Android. She's outspoken enough that if she ever wants a name, she'll request it, politely but forcefully.

That whole post could have been written without the "you're all stupid and I'm much smarter" attitude, but, ya know, internet.
 
First, do we really care that they used recognizable settings like malls and warehouses instead of building more futuristic looking sets that would perform the exact same functions as malls and warehouses? Really? Its a cost-saving measure, but not one that's really a problem unless you're inclined to obsess over it instead of keeping in mind that location shooting has been a part of sci-fi television since sci-fi television was invented. Half the episodes of TOS trek were filmed in the California desert or on soundstages made to look like a California desert. I don't hear anybody complaining "They should have spent more money and made them look like deserts on Mars or Venus!"

To be fair, the criticism isn't that they are using malls and warehouses to represent malls and warehouses. It's that those malls and warehouses are supposed to represent the interior of space ships and stations. While it would be expensive to build sets, they could be more creative in they're choice of location shoots. They're s plenty of locations, like when they actually shot aboard a sea vessel for the derelict ship episode, that would be better suited than what we've seen.

Also, it kind of takes you out of the story when a space station has cinder block walls.

I was just rewatching the Asylum mockbuster American Warships. Even with their use of little inflatable rubber boats instead of US Navy RIBs or having a hotel conference room with a laptop standing in for a Pentagon operations center it was the story that helped me more then the big budget Battleship with the full force that money brings to the screen.

I'd rather have a space station mall where Star Wars 36 is playing in a theatre look like an abandoned Hawthorne Mall used as a movie set then loose all space opera on TV because it cost less to air Kylie Jenner teasing that she will follow her big sister and shot a porno with a minor rapper.
 
To be fair, the criticism isn't that they are using malls and warehouses to represent malls and warehouses. It's that those malls and warehouses are supposed to represent the interior of space ships and stations. While it would be expensive to build sets, they could be more creative in they're choice of location shoots. They're s plenty of locations, like when they actually shot aboard a sea vessel for the derelict ship episode, that would be better suited than what we've seen.

Also, it kind of takes you out of the story when a space station has cinder block walls.

On the other hand, we are talking about the interior of space stations. As long as it isn't needed to hold in the atmosphere or block micrometeor impacts, as long as the walls are just interior partitions, does it matter what they're made of? Might people not use the same reliable and inexpensive methods to build interior station walls that they use to build structures on a planet surface? I mean, why wouldn't they? Concrete is easy to make, easy to work with, and strong. It's made of materials that would be abundant in any asteroid belt and could be manufactured onsite. I think it makes perfect sense that a space station might have interior walls made of concrete blocks. A ship, maybe not, because something lighter would probably be preferable, but a station, sure.
 
To be fair, the criticism isn't that they are using malls and warehouses to represent malls and warehouses. It's that those malls and warehouses are supposed to represent the interior of space ships and stations. While it would be expensive to build sets, they could be more creative in they're choice of location shoots. They're s plenty of locations, like when they actually shot aboard a sea vessel for the derelict ship episode, that would be better suited than what we've seen.

Also, it kind of takes you out of the story when a space station has cinder block walls.

On the other hand, we are talking about the interior of space stations. As long as it isn't needed to hold in the atmosphere or block micrometeor impacts, as long as the walls are just interior partitions, does it matter what they're made of? Might people not use the same reliable and inexpensive methods to build interior station walls that they use to build structures on a planet surface? I mean, why wouldn't they? Concrete is easy to make, easy to work with, and strong. It's made of materials that would be abundant in any asteroid belt and could be manufactured onsite. I think it makes perfect sense that a space station might have interior walls made of concrete blocks. A ship, maybe not, because something lighter would probably be preferable, but a station, sure.

Now you're just being contrary, considering you were one of the big complainers about both Killjoys and Darkmatter using malls and warehouses.
 
Now you're just being contrary, considering you were one of the big complainers about both Killjoys and Darkmatter using malls and warehouses.

"One of the biggest?" I don't think so. Maybe I mentioned it in response to the first few episodes, but I've gotten philosophical about it since then. Any complaints in recent weeks have come from others.

And I don't think it's "contrary" to be willing to consider both sides of a question. It's just basic good judgment. Most things aren't simple all-or-nothing questions, and most problems are resolved by compromise. I may not be crazy about the low-budget choice of locations, but I can rationalize it to myself in many cases and thereby feel better about it, which is preferable to maintaining an unwavering hate-on for it. "Contrary" implies a willful choice to cultivate hostility, but I'm trying to do the opposite, to move beyond my initial distaste for the idea and find a path to reconciliation.

Heck, that's what I've always done with the things in Star Trek and other sci-fi franchises that I find implausible -- humanoid aliens, universal translators, psychic powers, and so forth. Coming up with rationalizations to let you live with implausibilities is a basic survival strategy for a fan of mass-media genre fiction.
 
Jesus, how can you manage to misquote something you just actually quoted?

And yes, if you actually look up the definition of "contrary", it fits your change in stance on the subject in this conversation.

But whatever, keep on with what you like to do.
 
So there's an old, seemingly dying guy (well, maybe not old after all), and Wil W is following his orders, seemingly a little bit hesitantly.

It always makes me wonder in shows/movies why people follow the orders of some old, dying guy, afraid of his power, instead of just killing the guy and taking control. Especially when it's the second in command, who could get away with it AND be subtle on changing direction of the organization.
 
I don't think we really learned enough about their relationship or who exactly they are to guess why either one of them is doing what they're doing.
 
It always makes me wonder in shows/movies why people follow the orders of some old, dying guy, afraid of his power, instead of just killing the guy and taking control. Especially when it's the second in command, who could get away with it AND be subtle on changing direction of the organization.

Loyalty? Love? Rook didn't seem to be a cackling monster, more the kind of person who sincerely believes he's doing something good and important and helpful and is willing to sacrifice lives because he's convinced the good he can do outweighs that harm. He might care deeply about the old man or what he represents and be determined to save and support him by any means necessary.
 
It always makes me wonder in shows/movies why people follow the orders of some old, dying guy, afraid of his power, instead of just killing the guy and taking control. Especially when it's the second in command, who could get away with it AND be subtle on changing direction of the organization.

Loyalty? Love? Rook didn't seem to be a cackling monster, more the kind of person who sincerely believes he's doing something good and important and helpful and is willing to sacrifice lives because he's convinced the good he can do outweighs that harm. He might care deeply about the old man or what he represents and be determined to save and support him by any means necessary.

And going back to "the android" perhaps he doesn't consider "Rebecca" human?
 
And going back to "the android" perhaps he doesn't consider "Rebecca" human?

No, it seemed to me he saw her as much more than an android and truly regretted that she had to be put down because of her homicidal "glitch" (which was probably just the desire to be free, but he doesn't get that). Maybe he doesn't value her quite as much as a human, though, or maybe he's willing to sacrifice human lives too.
 
Well, I have to say I enjoyed the first season of this show, even if it didn't exactly go where I thought it would.

I thought they gave up the premise a little too quickly, and some of the corporate stuff is a little confusing. But overall I found the characters to be interesting, especially 2 and 5.

I will be interested in seeing what 6 is really up to here. Has he decided that this crew simply can't go on like this? His conscience was bothering him greatly before they delivered the white hole technology and blew up a planet.

Did anyone find themselves pulling a Sheldon during the last episode: "WHEATON!!!!!" :scream:

:lol:
 
I thought they gave up the premise a little too quickly, and some of the corporate stuff is a little confusing.

I'd say more confused than confusing. "Confusing" implies (at least to me) that it's overcomplicated, but the problem with the show's worldbuilding is just the opposite -- that it isn't deep enough. It's just a few random bits and pieces thrown together without any real connective tissue, without a larger framework to show us how it all fits together. Killjoys, by contrast, has a really intricate and complicated world with a ton of stuff going on, but it's not that hard to follow because we can see how most of the pieces fit together.

Let's see, what do we know about Dark Matter's universe? It seems to be set in our galaxy, probably in the Orion Arm, since it uses recognizable star names. It's not too far in the future, since they still have bits of Earth culture like Charlotte's Web and Star Wars. There's a government of some sort called the Galactic Authority that's supposed to maintain order, but it's basically ineffectual, and the real power lies with several major multiplanetary corporations that are battling each other for power and advantage. The main multiplanetary corps include Ferrous Corp, the Mikkei Combine, Traugott Corp, and Volkov-Rusi, and there are various smaller concerns like Dwarf Star Industries and Transfer Transit. There's a terrorist movement called the Procyon Insurrection that's fighting the Galactic Authority, calling them corrupt. There are at least two independent interstellar powers apart from the GA, both in a region called C-Sector -- the Principality of Zairon, which pretends to be a feudal Japanese monarchy for some reason, and the Republic of Pyr, with whom they are at war.

It actually sounds relatively coherent when put together that way, but it's been doled out in dribs and drabs, it's mostly just names, and there are a lot of holes in it.

Granted, Star Trek didn't even come up with the idea of the Federation until its 22nd episode, didn't introduce the Klingons until its 27th, didn't even settle on the century until the second season and didn't explicitly state it onscreen until the movies, etc. There was definitely an improvisational quality to its worldbuilding. But that was another era. Back then, the tropes of interstellar science fiction were still relatively new to the TV audience. These days, we've seen it all so many times that just going "Look! Starships! Robots! Teleporters! Samurai planet!" doesn't bring anything fresh. It needs to add up to something bigger.

I mean, Trek aside, most space opera universes on TV have a singular defining theme or element behind them. Battlestar Galactica had the Colonies and the fall of humanity (although the original series threw in a lot of random human colonies that didn't fit the paradigm). Blake's 7 had the tyrannical Federation and the fight against it. Red Dwarf had the distant-future setting where humanity was extinct but had littered space with its ruins and creations. Stargate had the title artifacts, the seeding of humans across space by ancient aliens, and the interplay between alien civilizations and Earth mythology. Andromeda had the after-the-Fall setting, the attempt to rebuild the lost Commonwealth (though that show also went far astray from its core concepts in later seasons). Firefly had the 'Verse, the system with all its various core and fringe worlds and their interrelations. Killjoys has something similar with the Quad. But Dark Matter is more just a generic space-opera future. Its only unifying theme seems to be a vague "evil corporations run things" idea, but that's a very commonplace premise in today's shows (see also Continuum, Killjoys, Mr. Robot, etc.), and it's thrown together with other stuff like the Galactic Authority and the independent states like Zairon, so it just feels like one piece of the jumble. DM's universe doesn't have a personality of its own yet.
 
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Glad to hear it was renewed. It's not a GREAT show, but for a Friday night summer series, it hits the spot.
 
I had been pretty disapointed by the Finale's lack of any detailed answers but now it's coming back I don't mind so much. More excited by Killjoys return since of the two it's been far more ambitious so far.
 
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