Dark Matter, SyFy's new space show, premieres June 12th

[Admiral2]

The military would have ships housing those hundreds of tanning beds. flying all over the verse. Civilian commercial use would be limited to planet and station bound receiver pods.

Time to address the elephant in the transfer station.

It ultimately doesn't matter how you get the clones to the battlefield or how many you get there. The things only last for two days. Even a perfect deployment of a thousand clones just means you can fight the battle for only two days. On the third day, you have no army. If you don't have non-clone troops ready to step in, the bad guys will march over the dust and weapons the clones leave behind and set up the best air defenses in the verse to shoot down your other transports.

This is not the military breakthrough of the ages. It's a gimmick, and maybe a potential intelligence tool, but that's it.

 

[sojourner]

You seem to have trouble seeing the advantage here. It's not about replacing your common ground troops. It's about getting special forces where they can be of the most use quickly. Response time is a huge advantage. So is knowing that if the clone dies you still have the original and - as we have seen - they can be redeployed in minutes. It kicks the shit out of current drone technology and look how the world militaries have rushed to embrace them.

 

[cylkoth]

You're wedded to Travel Transit's (and Real Jace Corso's) sale pitch of clones having a shelf life of only three days. Me....
When it comes to an interstellar military industrial complex and mega corporations with trillions to burn exerting their will on everyone, that 3 day line was the first thing I scoffed at.

 

[JD]

Do we know what Two's secret his?

Yeah, I think it was her ability to heal almost instantly. Remember she's wearing that bandage on her neck for show. The bite from the zombie/infection episode healed completely by the end of the episode.

I just realized, Two/Portia Lin and the Android are the only main characters we haven't learned anything about yet.
One/Face (Fake Jace) Corso/Derrick Moss - Was a trillionaire who wants to get revenge on Macus Boon (aka Three) for killing his wife.
Three/Marcus Boone - Had a girlfriend who was terminally ill because of chemicals caused by Ferrous Corporation's mining on her planet.
Four/Ryo Tetsuda/Ryo Ishida - A prince who was framed for his stepmother's murder of his father.
Five/Das - A homeless teenager who stowed away on board the Raza along with friend. Her friend was shot because she stole some kind of important key.
Six/Griffin Jones - Was part of an anti-Corporation rebel group who accidently blew up a space station, killing thousands of people.

 

[Christopher]

^Five's name, or at least her nickname, is Das.

 

[JD]

^Five's name, or at least her nickname, is Das.

Thank you, I'll edit that. I knew they called her something, but the official site's bio doesn't have it, and it was so short I overlooked it on wikipedia. I'll edit in.

 

[Christopher]

I found it here:

http://darkmatter.wikia.com/wiki/Das

 

[Admiral2]

You seem to have trouble seeing the advantage here. It's not about replacing your common ground troops. It's about getting special forces where they can be of the most use quickly. Response time is a huge advantage. So is knowing that if the clone dies you still have the original and - as we have seen - they can be redeployed in minutes. It kicks the shit out of current drone technology and look how the world militaries have rushed to embrace them.

The response time you speak of is always mitigated by logistics. Building the clone may only take minutes, but loading it up, briefing it and getting it to the front on the destination planet takes longer, and the enemy is not going to just sit and wait for a fresh batch to show up and start shooting again. As soon as the bad guys realize they're facing clones - like when they all dissolve - the enemy's going to move heaven and earth to bomb or storm any transfer facility they even suspect exists on the planet - and it will probably happen while the clones are loading their weapons.

So your scenario only works if the first batch of clones can dispatch the enemy within the clones' lifespan. Any delay past their expiration transfers advantage to the enemy.

 

[kitik]

Do we know what Two's secret his?

I believe it was her healing. But beyond that, her body may be unique in other ways too. She may have some sort of other control over it, or there may be other changes that make her not-normal. For all we know, she may be the source of those happy farm memories that Five enjoyed so much. Heck, if she can heal her body, she may have full shape-shifting powers. (That were perhaps just not present yet when she was growing up as a farmboy.) Okay, that's probably a bit much, but we already saw her healing ability, and judging by what we've seen on this show so far, there are more secrets and surprises to come from her.

 

[Christopher]

Do we know what Two's secret his?

I believe it was her healing.

Yeah, but that's not really the same as what we know about the others, because it's all question and no answer. We've gotten answers about the pasts of all the others, but Portia Lin's backstory is still a complete mystery, and the rapid healing only adds to that mystery.

 

[Tom]

As for the Android, the only mystery was why she attacked the crew in the first episode. If it was their ship why be programmed to attack them?

 

[Mach5]

It's nice that, in the furure, hi-tech space stations will look just like shopping malls, and their guts will look just like factories and basements.

Their budget is 16 dollars per episode, cut them some slack.

BTW, who here remembers concrete walls on USS Kelvin?

 

[Kirby]

BTW, who here remembers concrete walls on USS Kelvin?

You'd think with all the technology improvements they would have had transparent concrete walls... Unless Madeline somehow interrupted the process.

 

[Nerys Myk]

It's space concrete.

Seems we actually built seagoing vessels out concrete.

 

[sojourner]

You seem to have trouble seeing the advantage here. It's not about replacing your common ground troops. It's about getting special forces where they can be of the most use quickly. Response time is a huge advantage. So is knowing that if the clone dies you still have the original and - as we have seen - they can be redeployed in minutes. It kicks the shit out of current drone technology and look how the world militaries have rushed to embrace them.

The response time you speak of is always mitigated by logistics. Building the clone may only take minutes, but loading it up, briefing it and getting it to the front on the destination planet takes longer, and the enemy is not going to just sit and wait for a fresh batch to show up and start shooting again. As soon as the bad guys realize they're facing clones - like when they all dissolve - the enemy's going to move heaven and earth to bomb or storm any transfer facility they even suspect exists on the planet - and it will probably happen while the clones are loading their weapons.

So your scenario only works if the first batch of clones can dispatch the enemy within the clones' lifespan. Any delay past their expiration transfers advantage to the enemy.

Again, you're equating them to standard troops. The advantage here is to put specially trained teams that are in short supply where they are needed quickly.

Imagine being able to deploy Seal Team 6 anywhere on the planet within an hour and not having to worry about loosing members of that team.

 

[Marc]

Imagine being able to deploy Seal Team 6 anywhere on the planet within an hour and not having to worry about loosing members of that team.

I wonder if they would down load the experiences if a clone lasted long enough.

The "tanning bed" approach would transfer the knowledge and experience of your original soldiers (though they'd need to have been there done some of that to really hone the edges) without risking losing the knowledge and experience. However to build on that knowledge and experience they'd have to be "updated" in order to pass it on the next batch.

The ad from the previous ep showed it being done for the holiday experience but whether the military would do it?

 

[sojourner]

Well, yeah, if things went well, you'd want to re-merge the clones to get teh experience back to the originals, but if things did go south on the clone, you wouldn't be any worse off.

 

[Nerys Myk]

I have to wonder if the military version might give the clones a longer life than the commercial one.

 

[Cyrus]

The real One (Derrick Moss) kind of looked like Jace Corso, probably why he choose him to impersonate. Did the same actor play Derrick?

Since One, Four and Six were able to use those transfert pods then I guess it is safe to say they are not some kind of clone. Unless clones can be re-cloned too.

It was cool that Android called out Two on her hypocrisy.

It was funny that One and Four pretended to be a couple to get a 10% discount.

 

[cylkoth]

The real One (Derrick Moss) kind of looked like Jace Corso, probably why he choose him to impersonate. Did the same actor play Derrick?
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Marc Bendavid-One, also played Real Jace.