Dark Knight question

[melancholymecha]

hey I just saw this movie yesterday (I know Im a slowpoke,) well I enjoyed it a lot, loved all the scenes with Joker & Dent, & especially the hospital scene with the two of them (uh yeah I thought Joker looked very cute in that dress.)
I hope Harvey is alive(I know he's probably dead but can always dream.) Would have been cool to see him & Joker team up in the 3rd film just b/c Id imagine theyd have this weird-ass relationship hinted in the hospital scene but I guess things being how they turned out IRL that was never meant to be(rip Heath)

anyway I was a bit confused about the opening scene with Crane, what exactly was going on with him & those other guys who were pretending to be Batman ?

 

[nx1701g]

Crane had become an underworld kingpin selling his fear toxin as drugs. The "Sons of Batman" were a group of people who were inspired by Batman's desire to help and had become a gang trying to help him.

 

[melancholymecha]

^oh so I guess Batman caught them all & decided to tie them all up together? I didnt understand why Crane was sitting tied alongside the Bat-fanboys...

 

[nx1701g]

^ Batman tied them up because they were a danger to themselves as well. The "Sons of Batman" resorted to tactics such as using guns and weren't properly outfitted. As we saw later too one of them was killed for his actions by the Joker.

 

[Broccoli]

I was kinda confused about the beginning the first time I saw it. There is A LOT going on to really catch the first time through.

 

[T'Baio]

I thought it was pretty obvious what was going on. Everything nx1701g has stated was easily surmisable.

 

[Broccoli]

I thought it was pretty obvious what was going on. Everything nx1701g has stated was easily surmisable.

Sitting somewhat close in the Imax on opening day kinda made things jumble for me. Add that to me thinking that Crane was the one who said, "We are trying to help," it threw me.

 

[Flying Spaghetti Monster]

I'm still scratching my head about the mayor's obit in tomorrow's newspaper.

 

[Augustus]

Like how that was possible?

Me too, I love the movie, but how does the joker get a ton of gasoline drums onto two ferries in the space of a few hours with no one noticing? Same with the explosives ALL over the hospital...

but hey, great movie!!!

 

[melancholymecha]

I thought it was pretty obvious what was going on. Everything nx1701g has stated was easily surmisable.

I found a lot of the action scenes hard to follow but I figured that was just me. I sometimes have to watch a film with heavy action or complex plots a couple times to really get whats going on, & sometimes I go to Wiki after watching the film & read the plot details to help make sense of it...like I was confused about Batman showing up to save Harvey instead of Rachel but then Wiki article cleared it up for me(Joker switched the locations) & some other points, but the Crane thing still confused me.

But also, I still think Harvey snapped too quickly. I thought maybe I had missed something but no, he's in mourning/dispair/rage at the hospitsal, Joker gives him his lil pep talk & then he decides ok Im gonna be a bad guy too? I mean did he not understand the type of danger he was putting himself & his loved ones(Rachel) in?

 

[T'Baio]

I found a lot of the action scenes hard to follow but I figured that was just me.

That's not just you. Nolan is great in everything he does...except action scenes. It seems he can't direct one if his life depended on it.

Note to Nolan - They have 2nd Unit for a reason.

 

[Small White Car]

I found a lot of the action scenes hard to follow but I figured that was just me.

That's not just you. Nolan is great in everything he does...except action scenes. It seems he can't direct one if his life depended on it.

Note to Nolan - They have 2nd Unit for a reason.

Hey, he did a MUCH better job this time around. Watch the scene in the night club again where he beats up the goons and jumps on the mob boss' table.

You can actually see what he's doing! BIG improvement!

 

[Broccoli]

Me too, I love the movie, but how does the joker get a ton of gasoline drums onto two ferries in the space of a few hours with no one noticing? Same with the explosives ALL over the hospital...

Yeah, like much of the "plausibility" of the movie, it makes no sense.

Kinda like Gordon faking his death only to pop up later in a scheme that he couldn't have possibly known about/came up with before his fake-death.

Or Joker knowing that he was going to be captured, so he planned to have cell-phone guy be in the exact same jail that he was in.

Or how willing Harvey Dent was to listen and believe everything Joker told him in the hospital.

Or Batman taking the fall for Harvey Dent when it could have easily been pinned on the Joker.

The list can go on...

Hey, he did a MUCH better job this time around. Watch the scene in the night club again where he beats up the goons and jumps on the mob boss' table.

You can actually see what he's doing! BIG improvement!

Well, the blinding strobe lights probably help.

 

[T'Baio]

I found a lot of the action scenes hard to follow but I figured that was just me.

That's not just you. Nolan is great in everything he does...except action scenes. It seems he can't direct one if his life depended on it.

Note to Nolan - They have 2nd Unit for a reason.

Hey, he did a MUCH better job this time around. Watch the scene in the night club again where he beats up the goons and jumps on the mob boss' table.

You can actually see what he's doing! BIG improvement!

Nolan uses things like the flashing lights and that ridiculously retarded Bat...I'm sorry...Sub-Sonar thing to camouflage his shit action direction.

 

[Small White Car]

Nolan uses things like the flashing lights and that ridiculously retarded Bat...I'm sorry...Sub-Sonar thing to camouflage his shit action direction.

I don't understand what you're saying. Strobe lights make it harder to tell what's going on. Since I could see the action DESPITE the strobe light, surely that means the scene itself was better?

 

[CommodoreKong]

I'm still scratching my head about the mayor's obit in tomorrow's newspaper.

I'm guessing it wasn't a real newspaper (or it was just an old newspaper with a new front page).
With the right software it's really not that hard to make a newspaper layout, I did it for my high school newspaper.

Typically newspapers/news websites write obituaries of famous people in advanced so they don't have to scramble when someone dies, I remember a few months ago AP accidentally posted Steve Job's obituary online when they updated it. It's possible the Joker stole or payed someone for the obit. Or maybe he just wrote his own. Or copied the mayor's wikipedia article.