Dafydd ab Hugh

Discussion in 'Trek Literature' started by James T. Vader, Mar 28, 2013.

  1. James T. Vader

    James T. Vader Lieutenant

    Feb 19, 2013
    So, honestly, how can a publisher allow an author to put out work like his? It was so full of mistakes and canonical errors and screwed up settings and storylines, that Fallen Heroes was the only book of his I managed t finish.

    His Rebels Trilogy was god awful and Vengenace started out with Quark wearing a sandwhich board trying to drum up support for his bar...

    Then I found this...


    and it allll made sense....
  2. Relayer1

    Relayer1 Vice Admiral Admiral

    Aug 21, 2011
    The Black Country, England
    Well, I've read most of his Trek stuff and must admit, it stank...
  3. Atticus

    Atticus Lieutenant Commander Red Shirt

    Feb 5, 2011
    What a kindly thread. Good for you.
  4. kirk55555

    kirk55555 Rear Admiral Rear Admiral

    Jul 22, 2011
    Washington State, USA
    I liked DS9: Fallen heroes and Invasion: Book 4 - The Final Fury, the two books I've read that he wrote.
  5. Greg Cox

    Greg Cox Admiral Premium Member

    May 12, 2004
    Lancaster, PA
    Fallen Heroes was probably the best of the early DS9 novels (including mine).

    Haven't read his other Trek stuff.
  6. Therin of Andor

    Therin of Andor Admiral Admiral

    Jun 30, 2004
    New Therin Park, Andor (via Australia)
    "Fallen Heroes" was an excellent page turner.

    Well, you're complaining about errors and you've made a few of your own in that sentence. Anyway, correcting errors is the job of the editor and subeditors.

    I did dislike "Rebels", but I was often underwhelmed by Bajoran stories - by anyone. What's wrong with Quark and a sandwich board? Sounds like typical Quark to me.
  7. King Daniel Beyond

    King Daniel Beyond Admiral Admiral

    Nov 5, 2008
    King Daniel Beyond
    My thoughts exactly. But, hey - JJ Abrams gets this sort of thing every single day. You know you're a sombody when you've got a hate thread!

    I've read and enjoyed several of Dafydd ab Hugh's Trek novels. Fallen Heroes was definitely the most memorable.
  8. Mysterion

    Mysterion Rear Admiral Rear Admiral

    Jun 28, 2001
    SB-31, Daran V
    Oh noes! He's wearing a Ronald Reagan t-shirt! He must be eeeeevil!


    His books were just fine, IMO. At least no worse than some of the other crap I've seen published with the words Star Trek on the cover.
  9. ronny

    ronny Fleet Captain Fleet Captain

    Mar 21, 2006
    San Francisco, CA
    That picture explains why he writes a right wing blog, it doesn't explain anything about what you think of his novels.

    I haven't read his TNG book. The Voyager book was pretty good from what I remember. The DS9 books seemed pretty forgettable except for Fallen Heroes which I agree with Greg Cox on, it's probably the best of the numbered DS9 books. It's great.
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  10. Dukhat

    Dukhat Rear Admiral Rear Admiral

    Dec 26, 2007
    Baltimore, MD
    I remember reading Fallen Heroes and thinking what a good book it was. Yes, it had a reset button, but the story was so good it didn't bother me.

    However, I was completely confused when the Rebels trilogy came out. Not only was it absolutely dreadful, but I got the impression that whoever wrote it hadn't even seen a single episode of DS9. I couldn't believe it was written by the same guy. Now, some early DS9 novels get a pass from me no matter how bad they are (i.e. K.W. Jeter's Warped) because when someone's writing for a brand-new show, one doesn't know much and by necessity needs to create things that will probably get contradicted by the show later. That's just the nature of the beast.

    But the Rebels trilogy was published during DS9's final season! There's no excuse for why the characters acted so different from the show, or why other aspects of the books didn't equate to the show (One example I remember is that it was stated that the Cardassians used some other race called the Drek'la to do all their dirty work. Huh?)
  11. Turtletrekker

    Turtletrekker Vice Admiral Admiral

    Aug 23, 2003
    Tacoma, Washington
    Fallen Heroes was excellent. Everything else of his that I've tried to read has been... incomprehensible.
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  12. Biffette

    Biffette Captain Captain

    Mar 3, 2005
    I really enjoyed Balance of Power, Fallen Heroes, and his DOOM books. The other Deep Space Nine books were only okay, imo.
  13. Amaris

    Amaris Abiding Eos Premium Member

    Dec 25, 2002
    United States
    I love his books, with Balance of Power being one of my favorites.
  14. Smitty

    Smitty Lieutenant Commander Red Shirt

    May 30, 2006
    Dallas/Fort Worth, TX
    I actually appreciated this thread as it has pointed me to some books that I have not read. Overall sounds like people like his books.

    If we disliked authors for their personal opinions, politics, color of their shirt, etc then there are many out there that would not have very many readers regardless whether they are left or right....
  15. Ktrek

    Ktrek Captain Captain

    Apr 21, 2003
    I remember reading Balance of Power some years ago and at the time I enjoyed it. I'm not sure if I would today. I might pull it out and give it a re-read. I wasn't very impressed by Rebels or Fallen Heroes though.

  16. NightJim

    NightJim Captain Captain

    Feb 12, 2013
    Fallen Heroes is one of the few Trek books I read back in the day when it was new. I also remember thoroughly enjoying it, more so than the other five DS9 books I tried.
  17. zarkon

    zarkon Captain Captain

    Mar 24, 2011
    Hmmm, that's interesting. Better then 34th Rule?
  18. Avon

    Avon Commodore Commodore

    May 7, 2010
    it should be Dafydd ap Hugh. Ap being the welsh 'son of' equivalent.

    looked him up and can only assume he made a mistake when he changed his name to that.
  19. Use of Time

    Use of Time Commodore Commodore

    Jul 25, 2012
    Va. Beach, VA
    Hugh seems to be a little bit more graphic and grittier in his writing. Fallen Heroes was intense. I am one of the few who actually enjoyed the Invasion mini-series and remember liking Hugh book as well.
  20. Allyn Gibson

    Allyn Gibson Vice Admiral Admiral

    Oct 16, 2000
    South Pennsyltucky
    Jeter's other novel, Bloodletter, was especially noteworthy in that regard. It was obviously written from the series bible, because it utilized ideas from the bible -- like the need for engine buffers inside the wormhole -- that the series ultimately didn't even use.

    I remember that, based on Fallen Heroes and his non-Star Trek novel Arthur War Lord, people believed that Dafydd ab Hugh was a pseudonym for Peter David.

    Going back to the picture, I believe that the Doom novels won the literary equivalent of the Golden Raspberry awards.