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Cursive/Script Writing

As I pointed out in the last thread, the issue really isn't print v. handwriting, it's that nowadays, they don't bother to teach people how to write before they teach them the letters. Nobody knows how to properly hold a pen or move the writing arm (most people write with their wrists).

Back in the quill and ink days, people learned proper technique before learning how to draw a single letter. Because, with a quill, poor posture could be a messy disaster. (Anyone who's tried calligraphy knows this.) And it showed; even people with the most basic of educations had beautiful penmanship.

Then the modern writing utensils came a long, and no one bothered anymore. They didn't remove the same basic mechanical traps of a quill, they just covered them up. And as technology evolved people seemed to care less and less, and, as Trekker points out, made them lazy.

I was forced to learn these things. Having been born with CP, my handwriting when I first started learning was terrible. Then I was sent to a specialist who taught my the proper mechanics and such and made me practice over and over and over again. Now, I'm am complimented all the time on the elegance and neatness of my writing. In school I was often designated the default note taker because I could write fast enough to get down most of the information and it was neat enough that everyone could read it.

I think it's a shame that people are no longer properly taught to write anymore. (Just like they aren't properly taught to read, but that's another matter.) People have become way too dependent on technology. And only teaching people to "use" the technology is utterly ridiculous. What happens when (and it will) it all goes away?
 
There is no way in hell I could have kept up with note-taking in university lectures without writing in cursive.

Funny what a person gets used to. I'd regularly take 5-10 pages of notes per class, all in manuscript. I haven't written anything in cursive in over 15 years.

Heh, I bet your memory is better than mine. I always envied classmates wrote less than half of what I did and could still recall all the important stuff. I, however, have trouble remembering my own name, so I'd reel off pages and pages of notes per lecture because I'd never remember a damned thing that was said without referring to my notes. I can write cursive much faster than I can print, so I had little choice. At least it kept me in practice. ;)
 
I know of at least one family that is teaching their kids only net speak and only typing-- no handwriting, calculator no basic math first.

Oh, they're going to go far in life. :D

...teach l33t/txt speak to get the kiddies ready for the real world. I know of at least one family that is teaching their kids only net speak and only typing-- no handwriting, calculator no basic math first.

:wtf:

The Idiocracy comes true.

Us, and the parents like us, are considered "backwards" or "holding our kids back" cause we still make our kids write out assignments, we're making 'em do math with pen and paper*, our kids get points knocked for bad spelling ("it's our fault, if the kids could use a computer they'd have a spell-checker, we're not being fair . We need to get with the 21st century":barf::ack:)

I actually had a parent say to me "Why worry about all that nonsense? They can just use google or their cellphone to get the answer." When I pointed that (1) electronics fail, (2) you're not always going to have time or be in a place to use the 'net, (3) How's a kid going to survive without some basic life knowledge. They just stared at me in horror, then said "Google never goes down" *face palm*



* My oldest (7) whined for a calculator: I bought him a abacus and taught him how to use it.
 
They just stared at me in horror, then said "Google never goes down" *face palm*

Dear Jesus. :wtf:

I mean, are these kids even going to learn how to sign their name? What happens when they're in the middle of nowhere and their 4G iPhone can't pick up an internet signal? Where is their Google then?!
 
This is awesome. People weren't stupid enough before. Now parents can use modern technology to make the next generation even stupider.
 
This new generation of kids who can't even write by hand could actually be a booming employment opportunity. What happens when the power fails, the computers crash, the internet goes down? How can we possibly communicate with each other?

Call in a professional scribe. A job so old it's new!
 
As I pointed out in the last thread, the issue really isn't print v. handwriting, it's that nowadays, they don't bother to teach people how to write before they teach them the letters. Nobody knows how to properly hold a pen or move the writing arm (most people write with their wrists).

Yeppers. That and they don't really encourage a pride in your penmanship any more. When I was in school (80s till the early 90s) I was taught that penmanship was one of those things that didn't seem like a lot but could go a long way towards making a good impression on people and that it's the legacy you don't think you're leaving behind, that what we write and how we write it will out last us.

They just stared at me in horror, then said "Google never goes down" *face palm*

Dear Jesus. :wtf:

I mean, are these kids even going to learn how to sign their name? What happens when they're in the middle of nowhere and their 4G iPhone can't pick up an internet signal? Where is their Google then?!

This is awesome. People weren't stupid enough before. Now parents can use modern technology to make the next generation even stupider.

And it's people like these folk that give homeschoolers and homeschooling a bad rep. Fates, I pulled my kid out of public school cause of stupidity like "Calculator skills" being taught in pre-k and K. I had a freaking argument with the teacher over the fact that her word list she sent home for him to study was covered in misspelled words; her excuse: well my spellchecker didn't catch it, are you sure they're spelled wrong? The public-school my son's assigned too for testing and review: I own more dictionaries and reference books than they do. But I will say they have a excellent collection of Olsen Twin books and Twilight books on hand :rolleyes:
 
^^

Our school no longer buys encyclopedia's in book form. They are costly and go obsolete too quickly vs the online versions. The district does not have the funds for it thanks to a public that refuses any additional funding efforts.

And you should hear the screams when I refuse to allow any calculator use in my classroom. I don't teach math so any numbers work is pretty simple arithmetic but they have to be shown multiplication on paper. No one even requires rote memory of the multiplication tables anymore (and teachers are told not to spend time on it by administrators).

As for an earlier post about handing in a rough draft a day early -- It is called organization. I have 150+ students and it is important that I keep everyone on the same track if possible. It is far easier for you to keep track of one paper an extra day than for me to remember it and insure it is integrated into the rest of the class's papers the next day. I'm betting you would be the first to scream if I lost it too.

And as too small handwriting - go ahead and hand it in but if I can't easily read it then don't complain if you you get an "F" (maybe an incomplete if it is the first time, you only lose one letter grade a day then).

My rules are strict and students may think unfair - but I spent 30 years in the business world and this is what employers expect. Get used to it.

You'll thank me later.
 
While I'm on Math for second...

Most of us learned multiplication using the traditional stack method or:

278
x34
1112
834
9452

Here is what kids are taught to do today....

http://virtuouschildren.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/02/lattice2.png


Yep, that is crystal clear and little chance of a screwup... :shrug::wtf:


Quite frankly, Numbers have not changed recently, why the hell do we need to change what has worked well for thousands of years?
 
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^:wtf: What am I looking at there?!? Way too complicated IMO. (Yes, I did figure out what was going on eventually, but it took me a minute. And I'm an engineer!)
 
I know of at least one family that is teaching their kids only net speak and only typing-- no handwriting, calculator no basic math first.

Oh, they're going to go far in life. :D
They might. You never know.

bush-dumb-look-scratching-head.jpg
 
Actually, that method of multiplying large numbers is quite straightforward, although it looks confusing at first. And it actually does cut down on error for students. Now, do I think it's the best way? Not necessarily, and maybe not for everyone. As a Math teacher, I personally like showing students both methods and allowing them to choose the one that works best for them.

I'm also not a fan of "it's worked forever, so why change it" - imagine all the things that would never have been invented if everyone thought that way ;)
 
While I'm on Math for second...

Most of us learned multiplication using the traditional stack method or:

278
x34
1112
834
9452

Here is what kids are taught to do today....

http://virtuouschildren.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/02/lattice2.png


Yep, that is crystal clear and little chance of a screwup... :shrug::wtf:


Quite frankly, Numbers have not changed recently, why the hell do we need to change what has worked well for thousands of years?

Ah yes, "New Math." My mom has to teach this to her students every day. I have no idea how it's supposed to be easier, because it looks complicated as hell.
 
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Ok, I've studied for some time and I figured out some of it but I've no idea where the final set (the brown ones) of numbers comes from.

I've learned recently, and have become, a big fan of "subtracting by adding" but this?! I do not get this and don't see how it's any better than the "stack method."

multi.PNG.jpg
 
Once I worked it out what was being done, I came to the conclusion that the new way (shown by Bloodwhiner) is actually easier.
 
Once I worked it out what was being done, I came to the conclusion that this new way is actually easier.

Yeah, the brown stuff finally clicked with me but it seems needlessly complex, obtrusive, non linear, etc.
 
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I haven't bothered to work it out because numbers make my brain shut down, but I'd assume that it only looks more complicated because it's not what we're used to and we haven't been instructed in this method.
 
Someone's going to need to explain it to me, because I cannot figure out what the hell is going on there.
 
Someone's going to need to explain it to me, because I cannot figure out what the hell is going on there.

3x8 is 24
3x7 is 21
3x2 is 06

4x8 is 32
4x7 is 28
4x2 is 08

2 is, well, 2.
4+8+3 is 15 (the one carries over to the next column)
2+1+2+8+1 (carried over) = 14 (one carries over to next column)
2+6+1 (carried over) is 9.

9452

Pretty much they're multipying each of the single digit numbers and stacking them in the boxes.
Then they're adding the answers in diagonals (!) to get the final result.
 
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