Had it not already been rededicated as a test bed for the spore drive at that point? If so the crew full of timid scientists may not be reflective of its' original purpose.
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Had it not already been rededicated as a test bed for the spore drive at that point? If so the crew full of timid scientists may not be reflective of its' original purpose.
I was under the impression Lorca took command just as the Spore Drive was being installed.
Lorca commanded the original Crossfield?
That ship, and therefore the design, could be just about as old as we want. But a ship originally designed for housing timid scientists isn't a likely command for Captain Killy, and OTOH everything about NCC-1031 is wrong for a Trek science ship (giant engines being the most prominent oddity) anyway. Deciding that the design originally was a warship but got outdated and reassigned carries a couple of upsides: her looks, different from Starfleet's 2250s general ones, can be declared "old", her engines with the atypical OOO rather than oOo Bussards considered "fitting for the original application", etc.
Timo Saloniemi
Pretty sure the Standard crossfield and the discovery look the same. For three reasons
1: The pensioners in EP 3 knew what type of ship it was
2: The Mirror Universe ships thought it looked like their own, non-spore modified discovery.
3: Starfleet thought the ISS Discovery was the USS Discovery.
1: The pensioners in EP 3 knew what type of ship it was
2: The Mirror Universe ships thought it looked like their own, non-spore modified discovery.
3: Starfleet thought the ISS Discovery was the USS Discovery.
That’s the banana! That’s what’s missing in Discovery.
All that budget, the technical and creative welly of the modern vfx industry, and it’s not a patch on a thirty year old sequence. I’ll never tire of the space dock scenes, but I barely remember any of the Discovery sequences.
Maybe I'm missing something about the illustrious career of Captain Killy, but isn't it possible that she took command of a science vessel pre-"Killy" name, then used science to earn the Killy name?
Just cause she works hard during the day doesn't mean she can't party hard in the evening.
Just cause she works hard during the day doesn't mean she can't party hard in the evening.
It's probably how she earned the "Master of Poisons" medal.
Pensioners? They didn't look THAT old.
Pensioners? They didn't look THAT old.
The socialist government that is the fedration is very generous
They probably based that on finding debris labeled "Discovery."
We are unsure, but that does not change the fact folks in the Empire saw it and it looked the same to them.
It's probably not a given that the ISS and USS versions of the same ship have the same mission profile.
And the thing here is that the different mission profiles apparently don't affect the exterior one iota. Meaning the class (or its individual ships) here at the Unleaded Universe can have all sorts of mission profile history, too, with "science ship" being but the second-latest in a series, and "spore drive ship" being a further development of that, neither of these adding anything to the exterior.
Oh, perhaps the spinners could be additions. They are almost unnoticeable, after all. Perhaps Starfleet decided on a two-ring hull for reason X and then decided it was a good hull for science ships and then decided that it was good for spore drive ships because on those it could be turned into that excess-oomph-bleeding contraption?
Umm, nope. They were at loss to explain the ship. They recognized nothing, they marveled at the unscratched shuttlebay floor, and then they were confused by the many silver shirts aboard until the Generic Goateed Baldie Baddie decided this must mean it's a science ship.
And at least the Shenzhou folks got a very good look. Not that they would have had a reason to look for "mistakes" or anything. But they'd certainly notice if anything non-trivial had "changed".
The question we then must ask is, do MU skippers typically customize their ships on the run?
And whether the Klingons blew her to tiny bits or left a nice wreck behind, this means Starfleet should know. In the former case, they'd have to use their fanciest scanners to identify the vessel, meaning the MU version had to be identical down to the sort of random tiny detail that those scanners would get to scrutinize. In the latter, any aberrations in the big surviving chunks would be noticed because Starfleet would want to find out this is not their all-important Discovery.
Timo Saloniemi
Oh, perhaps the spinners could be additions. They are almost unnoticeable, after all. Perhaps Starfleet decided on a two-ring hull for reason X and then decided it was a good hull for science ships and then decided that it was good for spore drive ships because on those it could be turned into that excess-oomph-bleeding contraption?
Umm, nope. They were at loss to explain the ship. They recognized nothing, they marveled at the unscratched shuttlebay floor, and then they were confused by the many silver shirts aboard until the Generic Goateed Baldie Baddie decided this must mean it's a science ship.
And at least the Shenzhou folks got a very good look. Not that they would have had a reason to look for "mistakes" or anything. But they'd certainly notice if anything non-trivial had "changed".
The question we then must ask is, do MU skippers typically customize their ships on the run?
And whether the Klingons blew her to tiny bits or left a nice wreck behind, this means Starfleet should know. In the former case, they'd have to use their fanciest scanners to identify the vessel, meaning the MU version had to be identical down to the sort of random tiny detail that those scanners would get to scrutinize. In the latter, any aberrations in the big surviving chunks would be noticed because Starfleet would want to find out this is not their all-important Discovery.
Timo Saloniemi
God I absolutely love this scene! The visuals, the music...!
They named it as a Crossfield. The confusion was over it being brand new and just out of spacedock. They knew what type it was.
This is counter to everything we have ever seen on screen. We have seen 3 ships from the MU and they all looked like the prime version. Darker on the inside with new logos, but the same form.Nothing points to the ISS discovery and the USS discovery looking diffent at all
We have no clue how much was left, but it had to be enough to ID it as a crossfield.
No, they did not. In fact, the name "Crossfield" was not spoken on screen in dialogue until this week's episode. That's kind of why this thread was started.
Again. all it would take was a hull fragment with "Discovery" or "NCC-1031" written on it, just like Trip and Lt. Reed surmised in Shuttlepod One the NX-01 was destroyed just because they found a hull fragment with "01" written on it.
You are correct. I could have sworn it said it, but I went back and checked.
Burnham at that point is still sort of spaced out, not caring to comment one way or the other. Does she recognize the ship? By exterior view? Are there surprises for her inside? She never tells.
The three stooges know something about Starfleet, even though they seem to deliberately play stupid to bait Burnham. But their ignorance of the nature of the ship seems genuine enough. Which is a pity, really, as we don't quite know which bits are new to them. Is the unusual shape of the ship really unusual to them, say?
Timo Saloniemi
The three stooges know something about Starfleet, even though they seem to deliberately play stupid to bait Burnham. But their ignorance of the nature of the ship seems genuine enough. Which is a pity, really, as we don't quite know which bits are new to them. Is the unusual shape of the ship really unusual to them, say?
Timo Saloniemi
I am still gonna guess the ISS version looked the same. No one in the MU batted an eye at it and they are cut throat enough to jump on a weakness or oddity if they could.