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Cross-pollenated Trek!

The Laughing Vulcan

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Take something from another TV show or movie, or perhaps another character from another franchise that would have made Trek better in your opinion. What would it be?

Mine will be unpopular, but I'm going to say Star Wars.

Not the whiny Jedi bitch or the comedy droids, or lightsabers. Just the sense of scale!

In six movies, Star Wars managed to appear larger and more lived in than Trek managed in 40 years. Everything had a proportion and a place in SW. The opening scene over Tatooine is a case in point. Awesome expanse of planet, giant spaceship flies overhead, followed by even more massive spaceship. Even more massive spaceship is tiny compared to the Death Star.

The Yavin system looked amazing, when Alderaan was destroyed, you got the impression that millions of people had died.

Yet 10 years later, TNG's planets still looked like pastel pool balls, decidedly 2D. Compare the Republic Senate chambers to the relatively tiny chamber the Federation sat in when Kruge demanded Kirk's head in STIV, the President in VI entertained his visitors at what looked like a desk lugged up to his bedroom! Star Trek has rarely felt large or galactic. Even the most cinematic of movies, TMP struggled to escape the confines of a television set, using its cinematic sequences for eye-candy, but still feeling small when it came to the personal character moments.

The TNG films suffered from merely being upgrades of the TV series. Hopefully as the new film is starting from scratch, Trek will finally feel galactic.
 
^ you're completely wrong. As usual, LV. Why do you even try?

Just practicing! :cool:

Actually I totally agree with you.:techman: One thing that's always bugged me was the size of the weekly planet or star while the ship is parked in orbit. You get absolutely no sense of scale. You never see the ship dwarfed against a single band of gasses, say, or descent into an atmosphere as they approach a continent for landing, or passing through a nebula for days for no reason at all. I think the producers need a shot of astronomy! Space! It's called space! It's big!


So agreed with the scale of SW. But I do not wish for the glossy swordplay or perfectly-choreographed CGI fleet battles, or -gads- kids pod racing. While I really accept it in SW, it's just a tad too fast to absorb. Going a bit slower might make it feel faster. I don't know, just spitballing.

SW, in the age of models, really had something special. The sets and costumes were aged. Nice touch.

Speaking of scale: you rarely get a sense of differing scale in ships or people, either. Then when you see an actor you think, hey, they're really short!

If I were to cross-pollenate Trek, it would be with the show Outer Limits, or Twilight Zone. What I mean is, each show would be about different people in different situations. While it may have been a liability for ratings, as each epi was a tedious whole new learning process, with Trek, enough would be familiar that at least the rules of the story universe would be familiar. I would want to include a stream of differing Starfleet characters. At least one series that, week by week, explored an entirely different place and time in the Trek universe, in any era, known and unknown. Talk about a creative marathon! Talk about a science fiction writer's playground!

What the hell, reverse the polarity and hit reset why don't you, that's lunch.
 
There's nuBSG. Just try to have some Fed bureaucrat boss Kara Thrace:rommie: Will Adama could add as a SF Captain/Admiral. On Fanfiction.net there's even an interesting crossover story. The strength of it is the interaction of Trek and nuBSG characters.
 
Take something from another TV show or movie, or perhaps another character from another franchise that would have made Trek better in your opinion. What would it be?

Mine will be unpopular, but I'm going to say Star Wars.

Not the whiny Jedi bitch or the comedy droids, or lightsabers. Just the sense of scale!

In six movies, Star Wars managed to appear larger and more lived in than Trek managed in 40 years. Everything had a proportion and a place in SW. The opening scene over Tatooine is a case in point. Awesome expanse of planet, giant spaceship flies overhead, followed by even more massive spaceship. Even more massive spaceship is tiny compared to the Death Star.

The Yavin system looked amazing, when Alderaan was destroyed, you got the impression that millions of people had died.

Yet 10 years later, TNG's planets still looked like pastel pool balls, decidedly 2D. Compare the Republic Senate chambers to the relatively tiny chamber the Federation sat in when Kruge demanded Kirk's head in STIV, the President in VI entertained his visitors at what looked like a desk lugged up to his bedroom! Star Trek has rarely felt large or galactic. Even the most cinematic of movies, TMP struggled to escape the confines of a television set, using its cinematic sequences for eye-candy, but still feeling small when it came to the personal character moments.

The TNG films suffered from merely being upgrades of the TV series. Hopefully as the new film is starting from scratch, Trek will finally feel galactic.
I have to agree with you, and for the same reasons you stated. I hadn't thought of it before your post, but the scale is different.
Star Wars started as a big movie; Star Trek started as a television series. Like you, I hope JJ & Co. can make Star Trek EPIC in scope and scale.

GREAT POST! :bolian::techman:
 
If I were to cross-pollenate Trek, it would be with the show Outer Limits, or Twilight Zone.
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I would want to include a stream of differing Starfleet characters. At least one series that, week by week, explored an entirely different place and time in the Trek universe, in any era, known and unknown. Talk about a creative marathon! Talk about a science fiction writer's playground!

What the hell, reverse the polarity and hit reset why don't you, that's lunch.

:bolian: I'd watch that. They could have occasional guest sci fi writers.

I'd like to see a Starfleet ship or star base in the middle of nowhere that's always grimy and on the verge of collapse, like Serenity on Firefly.
 
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