There would be a NuBraxton on the NuRelativity who would think the NuTrek Universe was the original to not bother making any changes.
Crewman Daniels, USS Relativity, Capt. Braxton
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I don't know that I agree with that last sentence.
According to The Path to 2409, the destruction of Romulus and Remus has resulted in two political entities that each have partial control of the rest of what was the Romulan Empire. Their civilization isn't destroyed. In programming terms, it forked. And things just get more interesting for the Romulans from there. Might not be so great for them, since they have to live through it, but it's great for us readers/players.
Thanks for the link. I wasn't aware of The Path to 2409. For real. This sounds very interesting and somewhat logical when you think about things. Certainly not EVERY Romulan and Reman would have died in the home star system and many outlying colony worlds would be untouched and provide the basis for new political realities and arrangements.
That's what I'm wondering. The Romulans in the Prime universe had a large space-fairing empire, filled with ships and colonies that may have escaped the supernova that destroyed Romulus.
When Vulcan was destroyed in the new movie's universe, how is it that only 10 thousand survive?
The Vulcans had a space navy much longer than Earth/Starfleet ever had one, and should have had at least a few colonies.
I always thought there were far more Vulcans still out in the nuTimeline. I'm just thinking that was all they were able to get off the actual planet of vulcan given the short amount of time they had. Really it didn't seem like more than a couple hours at the most. And look how often Earth's only Starship in range was the Enterprise, when they have had a big honkin' Starbase in orbit for a very long time.
So, it could be there were considerably more than the 10K, but its still nowhere near as big a population as the entire planet. This is before the 24th century "mass beaming" tech.
So, it could be there were considerably more than the 10K, but its still nowhere near as big a population as the entire planet. This is before the 24th century "mass beaming" tech.
If it helps the novelization of the film makes it clear that the 10,000 Spock was talking about were those who got off the planet in time and he adds that he doesn't know how many other Vulcans were off planet spread through out the federation at the time.
I just got back from watching the movie again and he did say it was an estimate. He did probably see the ships streaking off in the sky. 10,000 is still quite a few, considering what the crew compliment of the Enterprise-D was and that was a large ship. But not nearly planetary. Although they had what? Maybe a couple of hours to even consider an evac? And knowing the Vulcans... they probably debated it for more than half that time.
Really wasn't until the E came over, that they realized what was going on.
But I still tend to think there's maybe a million or so of Vulcans left, between Earth bound Vulcans, others on colonies, on starships, visiting other worlds. Barely enough to populate a city, but... better than nothing.
Really wasn't until the E came over, that they realized what was going on.
But I still tend to think there's maybe a million or so of Vulcans left, between Earth bound Vulcans, others on colonies, on starships, visiting other worlds. Barely enough to populate a city, but... better than nothing.
You assume that your descendants didn't do that and only created an alternate timeline where this event didn't happen, that or they went to a period where they could drool over NuRand instead.
Damn this new time travel sucks so much.
There will not be a "Reset Button". The studio would instantaneously alienate half of the new fanbase, and a portion of the pre-existing fanbase, as well as place a finite return on investment with regards to using new designs, sets, story threads etc., in future Movie/TV projects.
I never specified said "Reset Button" would even be in the 23rd century. Maybe Picard will "push the button", maybe it'll even take to the 26th century or something like that.
The silly thing about this sort of time travel is that it makes the process irrelevant for everybody except the time traveller. If there are an infinite number of alternate realities then you aren't actually changing anything you are simply depositing yourself in a reality that already exists. You gain the illusion of control but you are just being shunted into the appropriate reality.
The temporal police are also illogical. Give me Twelve Monkeys style time travel any day.
The temporal police are also illogical. Give me Twelve Monkeys style time travel any day.
What where the only reason the time traveler can't change the past is because they went after the wrong group of people, so of course their mission is doomed to failure becuase of how bad history was recorded. Because if thats the case the Federation has been shown to have made too many detailed records of how things happened that are too easy to access by anyone for that to happen.
Ah no - I mean time travel where nobody can change the past because it has already happened. If you go back in time, then you've always gone back in time and you've always been part of the timeline. Like in Time's Arrow.
SPOILERS: In Twelve Monkeys Bruce Willis had always been part of his own past - they needed him to go back not to change the past but to gather information that would allow them to change the present.
I'm not sure how the Temporal Shielding in Voyager might affect this method of time travel because the protagonist would be out outside time. Nevertheless, this my preferred time travel. I've never like alternate realities much - the Mirror Universe is ok but the prospect of an infinte number of others is just bleh.
I like the Nuverse, it's exciting!
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I think Daniels, Braxton, etc. are only protecting the "Prime" timeline...I mean, I imagine it's hard enough assigning people to watch Temporal Observatories for one universe.
Which is why Spock Prime is footloose and fancy free to "interfere" in this "alternate" timeline imho, because it's not the "Same" or "original" timeline.
Which is why Spock Prime is footloose and fancy free to "interfere" in this "alternate" timeline imho, because it's not the "Same" or "original" timeline.
I love it.
It's STAR TREK. There's a temporal explanation for everything if you're creative enough.
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